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  • west couldn't even score May 23, 5:47 p.m.
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    It is our family members you are talking about.
    Like I said before your kids play?
    See, I'm not talking about your kids at all, yours aren't playing!

  • west couldn't even score May 23, 4:37 p.m.
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    Lol Both MakkardCreek and the west definitely under performed this past year.
    What was the score of the championship game again?
    Yep couldn't score!

  • kdalefan May 23, 3:46 p.m.
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    Well, since feelings got hurt because we didn't back down when somebody from western nc came on a wake county message board to "twist the knife occasionally" about the current 4aa state champs from Wake county, everybody STOP putting facts out there to debate somebody from the western part of the state on a Raleigh area message board forum pretty please!!!!

    He thinks we take it "too personal" so just let em roll on here, say anything they want and none of us say anything back to them so we dont look like we are taking it personal!

    Sheesh

  • mjjohnson5573 May 23, 3:23 p.m.
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    I was impressed with all 11 of them as well as some of their backups. I think it goes unsaid but, the best defense top to bottom WF has ever had.
    Deadeye
    True...2 of 4 DB starters at the end of the season coming back but, two other DB's also coming back started at different points during the season. The toughest task will be replacing the 3 of 4 linebackers that they lost, although the one coming back was defensive mvp in the championship game. Hopefully the offense can help more this next year with 9 of 11 starters back and #1 from defense who could also be a great receiver in spots if they would throw the ball.

  • SQ630 May 23, 3:17 p.m.
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    Somewhat surprising. I would have thought Charlotte the last 20 years but then again I can see Greensboro

  • 2016 May 23, 2:59 p.m.
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    Some of you guys take this stuff far to personal. Like we attacked a family member or something. It's high school football and some fan speak.

    You guys constantly want to justify the under performance of the Wake county area in football and we like to twist the knife occasionally. It's really not that big a deal and I promise nothing about it makes me desperate.

    Great players and great coaches make great teams. WF has been blessed with both and have made it to 3 title games in 5 years. Does Mallard creek get their share of kids moving in?? Sure...most from outside Meck county and FYI...they lose a bunch S well. The privates and charters do grab a ton of kids from the area.

  • insureken May 23, 2:32 p.m.
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    I wasn't that impressed with the dline of WF as much as their LB's and DB's. WF has a D1 level DB core. RC is reaching for past glory....

  • deadeyejoe May 23, 1:58 p.m.
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    Defense brings back 2 of 3 down lineman, but loses Xach Gill (UNC commit); 1 of 4 linebackers, loses Hodge (Marshall) and 2 of 4 db's.

  • White Santa May 23, 1:56 p.m.
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    Just for kicks I wanted to look at the NC cities producing the most NFL talent. A quick look shows that Greensboro (adjusted for population numbers) produced the most NFL talent over the past 20 years. Durham ranks right there with Charlotte. Raleigh lags a little behind. I imagine there are some small towns (like Tarboro) that may boast an even higher percentage but looking at the larger cities this is what I found. Now this accounts for birthplaces only and is just based on cities. More work than I'd like to go through to figure out by county.

  • nepsy7 May 23, 12:59 p.m.
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    What does WF have coming back on defense? What Offense is Richmond running?

  • kdalefan May 23, 12:46 p.m.
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    You 2 sound real desperate right now.

    Go Cugas !!

  • insureken May 23, 12:21 p.m.
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    I guess the WF VS RICHMOND is a dead convo? I think both programs are weakened. I guess I like WF by a small margin

  • west couldn't even score May 23, 11:34 a.m.
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    These 2 must be getting paid for trying to keep the east thinking that the east can't win. Think about it, neither have children in the west North Carolina school system, but yet feel they need to always degrade east. They both fail to realize that no one in the east really cares what the west is really doing til it's time for east to play them in the post season. Most schools think about the conference first. Normally that's an accomplishment in itself.
    Think about it, Nepsy "works with many college coaches", who in the world would listen to him because of the way he responds on here. Not professional at all!
    It's not even football season and they are still at it. I guess they fail to realize that the RAL in WRAL stands for Raleigh.

  • nepsy7 May 23, 11:16 a.m.
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    You said 3 Schools in Charlotte had the most talent. That would be false. I gave you and example of a school that had 11 D1 players on the roster @ the same time. I actually left off the kids who went to D2 colleges. You also insinuated that kids in Charlotte all show up @ the top schools. False again. Proven by Rivals, Scout, and 24/7. They are all over the city. Plus I work with numerous College coaches, assisting them on locating talent in Charlotte. I know 1st hand.

    I was dead wrong when i said the majority games in Western Region playoffs were competitive. See how easy that was. You should try it! :)

  • 2016 May 23, 11:15 a.m.
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    Mallard Creek won 2 state titles and didn't even win their conference. Your right though....All the good players are stacked on one team.

    Got anymore if those facts....lol

  • kdalefan May 23, 10:56 a.m.
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    You 2 might be the only guys on this board that don't understand what is being pointed out based on the actual results.

  • nepsy7 May 23, 10:51 a.m.
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    Why not bring in the privates? They play football also. So Blah Blah back at you! lol A little FYI for you. Vance and Hough are not private and they are loaded every year. So no one is deflecting. That's a fact. So you can add Charlotte Schools to your list of programs you can't stand. I doubt anyone will loose any sleep. It will continue to be a hot bed for scouts. Wake Forest winning, makes the State of NC better. I applaud them.

    Sorry to blow your theory up, it seems like you were really trying hard. Talent in Charlotte is all over the place. Even if they didnt represent this year on your twisted analogy. lol!

  • 2016 May 23, 10:47 a.m.
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    Truly outstanding and ground breaking analysis. Football teams that have won titles have lots of very good football players. Clap..clap..clap..
    Any other breaking news?

    Congrats to WF. Lots of pretty good football players on that team. Maybe that's why they won?

    Hopefully we won't have to wait another 29 years to celebrate the next one.

  • kdalefan May 23, 10:35 a.m.
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    After looking over things New Bern might be the most consistent and best program in the state

    Winning multiple 4aa and 4a, doesn't matter where they play

    Charlotte boys might want to go start chasing them with all that "talent"

  • kdalefan May 23, 10:19 a.m.
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    Quit trying to deflect by bringing in "privates" and "academics" and blah blah

    Only 3 Charlotte teams have won a 4 aa championship SINCE 2000. with all this "talent" "All over the city"

    Then, charlotte didn't even represent this past year with all this "talent" and a wake county team BLANKED the team that destroyed the Charlotte rep with all this "TALENT"

    I used to couldnt stand the WF "Cugas" but now starting to like them for shutting you big mouths up

  • uBnice May 23, 10:13 a.m.
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    Doggone, I love these analytic arguments using data and statistics. LOL! Keep it coming guys! :-)

  • kdalefan May 23, 10:10 a.m.
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    Only 3 Charlotte teams have won a 4 AA state champ since 2000.

    And, they were all loaded more than any other team and had the best coaches.

    Only 3. That's top heavy. And they blew the doors off all western teams and eastern. Didn't matter who they played. All 3 were well oiled recruiting machines

    Wake forest finally copied them in MANY ways. Garner the same on MANY ways for years, just couldn't get over the hump

  • nepsy7 May 23, 6:49 a.m.
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    Hough Football All played on the same team.

    Carl Tucker: UNC
    Marquil Osborne: Tenn
    Mark Fields: Clemson
    Vann Smith: Clemson
    Bishop Ford:SC State
    Corey Sutton: Kansas State
    Matt Stevens: NC. State Christian Young: SC State Corey Bell: UNC Anthony Sherill: Western Carolina

    They were loaded and had more talent than anybody. I can give you other examples. Just ask! Don't just make stuff up!

  • nepsy7 May 22, 11:59 p.m.
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    Charlotte is loaded with Privates. You left out all of them, that consistently send kids to
    school with great academics. Parents are making the move often with the private programs for the Academics. Charlotte is loaded with talent, and it's all over the City.

  • SQ630 May 22, 10:48 p.m.
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    Yeah Knotts was/is a great. Indy has not been the same since

  • nepsy7 May 22, 10:43 p.m.
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    Tommy Knotts, Mike Palmieri, are elite coaches. Put them anywhere in the State. 2 to 3 years they're competing for State Championships. Knotts I would say is one of the greatest High School Coaches in the Nation. Palmieri had 3 different OC's for each State Championship.

    Wake Forest vs Richmond a toss up!

  • 2016 May 22, 10:35 p.m.
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    More facts-

    2016 247 Sports Top 100 football players in NC. 21 from meck county. 13 different schools. Only one had more than 2. So much for the " all the talented kids play at one school" argument.

  • 2016 May 22, 10:23 p.m.
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    Might want to go back and check the facts. There have been 4 Charlotte schools that have won football titles since 2000.

  • kdalefan May 22, 9:43 p.m.
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    broken down based on facts, it looks like:

    only 3 charlotte schools have won a state championship since 2000.

    every western championship, except for 4 of them, were blow outs by those 3 charlotte teams since 2000. (btw, that is not even close to a "majority" of games being competitive)

    every state championship, except for 4 of them, were blow outs by those 3 charlotte teams since 2000.

    those 3 charlotte schools have dominated the west, blowing out every western team, no matter where they were from, except in 4 western championship games, since 2000

    so, basically, nobody in the state could handle those 3 charlotte schools, no matter where they were from

    and, at the time, all 3 of those charlotte schools were absolutely loaded with more talent than anybody, plus they had the best coaching staffs in the state, which were either 1 h*** of a talent developer, 1 h*** of a recruiter, 1 h*** of a lucky coach, or all 3.

  • trianglelawns May 22, 3:20 p.m.
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    From reading this post, seems there are people in the Triangle that are some true Charlotte "riders". SMH.

  • west couldn't even score May 22, 2:29 p.m.
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    It doesn't matter, specially if your players get hurt and cant play.
    Again Mallard Creek had a high SOS and they didn't get past, what round was that in the playoffs?
    The only thing that matters if you beat (outscore and don't get disqualified) the team in front of your way to the ring.

  • west couldn't even score May 22, 2:21 p.m.
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    LOL, Middle Creek is showing you that it is very competitive in sports. At least they got a ring.
    How many rings did Mallard Creek get this year? Middle Creek got further in how many different sports compared to Mallard Creek this past year? You lost.

  • kdalefan May 22, 1:32 p.m.
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    "The majority of the Western Regional finals games were very competitive".

    since 2000:

    page 49 to 14
    mc 41 to 38
    mc 56 to 14
    butler 27 to 10
    page 41 to 27
    butler 44 to 24
    butler 38 to 14 Richmond 30 to 22 indy 10 to 8 indy 49 to 23 indy 48 to 14 indy 47 to 19 indy 20 to 18 indy 29 to 0 indy 42 to 14

  • 2016 May 22, 11:54 a.m.
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    You said it didn't matter. It does so as usual you were wrong.
    You picked Middlecreek...again. You lost.....again

    Lol

  • west couldn't even score May 22, 7:01 a.m.
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    lol you are full of it, is that how you blow off reality, you start saying the other "has no idea of what thy are talking about?"
    Well, facts didn't lie, you are just into "ALTERNATIVE FACTS" LOL.
    Max Preps will be for seeding, and the argument can be made that seeding means nothing. Teams still have to win to win.
    You picked Mallard Creek - you lost
    after that, you bandwagon-ed.

  • nepsy7 May 22, 12:05 a.m.
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    Harding High School in Charlotte has had 2 winning season since 1990. They have 8 D1 guys on their roster this year. Charlotte Christian private school has 5 to 6 FBS guys every year. Florida State just offered 2, 2020 kids from Providence Day. Hough is loaded with kids all over the Field. West Meck has the Brown Brother's who both have Alabama offers, and loaded with other kids. Vance sent sent 12 kids to college last year. Although schools across the state get new kids every year. The thought that parents can just pack up and move to the hot school and take the spot of numerous elite Athletes is not happening that often.

  • nepsy7 May 21, 11:20 p.m.
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    My point is. Butler had more or equal talent than Indy for 3 to 4 of those years, but couldn't get the job done. Butler was also sending more kids to college. Indy's run had more to do with the Coach, who is still winning State Championships in SC. Other than the 1st season Mallard Creek has been hot since it opened. No kids from Indy have ever moved into Creek area. There was 1 kid who played Safety who came from the Butler. The fact is, these schools are already loaded with players in their area. Parents also have to be realistic. Move and take who's position? It's not as easy

  • SQ630 May 21, 10:56 p.m.
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    Kdale point was Charlotte had a hot school where everybody wanted to play. He was right. No one and I mean no one could beat Indy for 7 years. Lots of parents like that. They have sons who have talent but want/need to get exposure and proper guidance. You do not want to rest it on incompetence.

  • nepsy7 May 21, 10:38 p.m.
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    The majority of the Western Regional finals games were very competitive. 95% of the State Championship games were blow out's by the West. Since 2000 it has been a huge difference in competition between the West & East. Only 3 competitive games in 16 years, with the East winning 2 State Championships, New Bern & WF depending on where you put Richmond 3?

  • 2016 May 21, 10:22 p.m.
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    This is why when I hear people talk about " every year is different" I laugh at them. At the beginning of every new season there are but a handful of teams that have a chance at winning a title and those are typically the same teams year in and year out.
    You give me 7 teams in 4aa right now and I will give you the rest....I will pick the winner every year.

  • nepsy7 May 21, 9:57 p.m.
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    Interesting 29 years before a team won 4AA out of East/Wake County.

  • uBnice May 21, 8:51 p.m.
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    We have had a population explosion in NC over the past census or two. So the influx of talent has to go somewhere. 50% of NC 100 counties are losing population so that massive influx is not spread uniformly. Families choose housing according to needs of their children in addition to cost. If I had a talented football son and was moving to the Charlotte area, I would check out Mallard Creek and the other competitive football programs in addition to the academics of course.

  • SQ630 May 21, 6:59 p.m.
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    Good point Kdale. I will say I have no issue with kids moving to the hot program with hopes of winning and increasing exposure. Check college costs these days. Oh my

  • kdalefan May 21, 6:19 p.m.
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    Even more Interesting:

    6 teams from the East have won the 4a state championship since 2002

    4 teams from the Piedmont have won the 4a state championship since 2002

    2 teams from the West have won the 4a state championship since 2002

    looks like a lot of parity in the East and Piedmont for 4a and 4aa

    top heavy in the West for 4a and 4aa

    Must be the "move to the area" concept: hey, my kid is great, I'm gonna move into the hot teams district !!

  • kdalefan May 21, 6:15 p.m.
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    Interesting:

    Only 3 teams from the West have won a 4aa state championship since 2000. Indy, Butler, MC

    2 teams from the East have won a 4aa state championship since 2000. New Bern, WF

    2 teams from the Piedmont have won a 4aa state championship since 2000. Richmond, Page

  • 2016 May 20, 5:34 p.m.
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    Sure SOS matters. Anyone who doesn't think that has zero idea what they are talking about. The NCHSAA has now legislated it and made it part of the seeding process when they changed the process this year and plugged in the Max Prep ranking system to determine seeding. SOS IS part of the Max Prep algorithm as is margin of victory.

    Now, how much it matters and how far you have to travel to find quality competition is certainly up for debate but saying SOS doesn't matter is factually incorrect.

  • Mraau95 May 20, 11:41 a.m.
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    @west so because you guys won it means the 4AA east was better than the entire west??? Top to bottom you can't seriously believe that...u sound like one of those guys who thinks the sec is the best conference because Alabama wins most of the time lol. One team doesn't account for an entire region. Scheduling does matter because losing a game or two in non conference could effect having home field in the playoffs

  • FightingScots May 20, 8:29 a.m.
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    WF don't have to drive far at all. There Hillside.SD, SC,NB,Dudley, pinecrest,Page,Havelock, 71st, NH, Try one them South Carolina Teams. Undoubtedly WF had a competitive program , they have been on the east representative last few years. Good luck to all. There is one thing we got this that is a very tough schedule. Starting with MC. The creek is coming to the the Burg then we are riding 2 hours to the hornets also with one of the top rb in the USA along our duo& the crew.

  • nepsy7 May 19, 2:04 p.m.
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    Wake Forest is a exception to the rule when it comes to strength of schedule. They appeared in 3 State Championship games before winning the prize. They learned from their mistakes. It's a different ball game, if you've never been there before. Strength of schedule is part of bringing home the prize. Or you can just take the Scenic route like WF :)

  • mississippiboy47 May 19, 1:19 p.m.
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    Cry about it buddy

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