Shrine Bowl combine results - Clayton HS

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  • uBnice Apr 18, 7:26 p.m.
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    LOL! I love stories. Thank you.

  • SQ630 Apr 18, 5:12 p.m.
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    Most stood out. I was disappointed that a few high profile guys missed out because of the state finals. I have have always been a fan of HS ball so even back then I would read up on the top players.
    Lots of one on one contact drills that week. I recall battling a guy in drills daily who went on to became an All Conference player at a top college program. He sent me back to the hotel sometimes not wanting to come back for practice. I recall at one of the dinners he stated he thought the week was gonna be easy but was not thanks to me. So I knew then I could hold my own. LOL

  • silkyjohnson Apr 18, 9:59 a.m.
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    Actually Wake Forest has Wake Forest and Heritage. Wakefield and Rolesville are with 8 miles of both of those schools. Wake Forest state championship is even more impressive with the watering down.

  • btango Apr 18, 9:55 a.m.
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    SQ630. When you went to the Shrine Bowl did any particular player jump out as being really special and make you go, "that guy is good." Any stories would be fun to pass the off season.

  • uBnice Apr 18, 7:43 a.m.
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    When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, HS football teams rarely were large in numbers. My HS had about 1200 students, we only had a varsity team, and maybe about 40 players. These were guys you knew most of your life. Most of us went both ways. You never gave it a second thought about playing both ways and staying on the field for most of the game.

    It is a different football landscape now. Though we may have population explosion in these parts, football remains the domain of the few. So whenever you create a new school in an existing area, you will dilute the available pool. I think going both ways will help the players and the teams and combat the dilution effect. But we are in the age of specialization. So there is pressure for more players. But football, by its violent, physical nature, will only attract the few. Football hurts.

  • mjjohnson5573 Apr 18, 6:49 a.m.
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    Knightdale drew from East Wake, Clayton lost 500-600 kids when Corinth Holders opened. Wake Forest was affected when Heritage opened which, is in Wake Forest by the way so WF has two schools. Also kids at Rolesville drew from what used to be Wake Forest-Rolesville.

  • btango Apr 17, 9:46 p.m.
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    The number of schools should not be a concern if they are relatively the same size enrollment. It takes time for the numbers to even out after a new school opens. Garner has been over 2,600 students for three years. Was expecting another school in the area soon.

  • SQ630 Apr 17, 4:52 p.m.
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    Eliminate any transfer rule and pay coaches more. You will see some power progrsms develop in the area.

  • The East is dropping bombs! Apr 17, 2:56 p.m.
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    I think NC is a basketball state, not a football state. Its just like that sometimes. The thing is, many people are moving to NC, bringing football players with talent with them. Its just sad to see student pools are being so drowned out in some areas. Garner is getting its 2nd high school, Apex has 3 high schools, Fuquay is in the making for its 2nd, Cary has ......... Raleigh has........
    But then cities like Knightdale, Clayton, Rolesville, Wake Forest have 1 school a piece.

  • uBnice Apr 14, 10:47 a.m.
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    The HS playoffs are around the time college basketball is beginning. Football in NC is just a holding place until basketball season...for most.

  • silkyjohnson Apr 14, 9:27 a.m.
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    In SC they actually have spring games like the college where fans show up big. Looking around at playoff games in NC fan attendance is low for how good the quality of football is.

  • nepsy7 Apr 14, 8:15 a.m.
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    Collectively top to bottom coaching is better in South Carolina. NC is very top heavy when it comes to coaching. I believe the huge difference in pay is one of the many reasons.

  • SQ630 Apr 13, 2:20 p.m.
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    Yep. Years ago it was considered a big deal if we could beat SC. The colleges rule the perception of the State I guess? UNC and Duke obviously are B-Ball schools and when we hear Clemson we think football? Obviously they are more vested there from what I hear they pay the HS FB Coaches

  • btango Apr 13, 2:03 p.m.
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    A few years after NC went to combines SC followed. SC is light years ahead of NC in their support for football. Night and day.

  • uBnice Apr 13, 11:57 a.m.
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    Thank you for the info. So the combines are fairly new, eh? Well, NC appears to be on the right track with their process. Even the alternates performed well last year, particularly the Orange LB Devondrez Moore and the ball-slinging QB, Jack Davidson from Myers Park, who had courage and chutzpah for days!

  • btango Apr 13, 11:47 a.m.
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    The combines started about ten years ago. The title games were on the same day from 1985 through 2001. NC leads by a game since the change. Before that SC had a definite edge. May have been a few years where weather or some type of scheduling issues caused one state or a classification to be on the same day.

  • btango Apr 13, 11:45 a.m.
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    I an assure you from personal experience there have been players come to the combine that the coaches knew little about who made the team. Impressive numbers there and good showing at the invitational combine made the difference. Most coaches know of some players that they went against or saw on film the previous season that they know are good but it is much different when you open the whole state up. Coaches normally make notes who looks good at the combines and dig deeper into their film.

    Pick 44 including a specialist and usually a long snapper. Have to keep many components in mind. Who all can hold placement kicks, snap out of the shot gun or who can take the snap under center with no issues depending on the O that is ran. What player can do multiple positions. The game is a lot about talented players that can make plays and sticking those players into a system that a coach thinks they can fit into.

  • uBnice Apr 13, 7:23 a.m.
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    Bab boy! You could play the Shrine Bowl today with those numbers. Thank you for sharing.

  • SQ630 Apr 12, 9:27 p.m.
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    None I am aware of. I was usually listed 6'2 215/225 back then. 6'1 no shoes or socks. I was 4.8 territory depends on where and who held the watch. LOL. My soph year I was told 4.5 on the track. I'm not buying that anymore. LOL. Then again I was only about 180-185 in 9th/10th grade so maybe I was quicker in early HS.

  • uBnice Apr 12, 5:21 p.m.
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    Did they have this type of initial combine back then? By the way, what was your 40 time then, height and weight?

  • SQ630 Apr 12, 2:55 p.m.
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    I found out by a teammate who saw the roster announced on the local news. HS Coach congratulated the next day. Definitely seemed to be a bigger deal back in the day and guys wanted to play. Guys wanna do the All American Bowls now.

  • uBnice Apr 12, 2:26 p.m.
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    It is a lot more difficult than that, I do believe. They also have to have an alternate in mind for every position just in case terrible rain storms pushes title games into the Shrine Bowl date. Title games have Shrine Bowl players who then cannot play in the Shrine Bowl. Wait, didn't that just happen?! :-) So, they have to evaluate a whole lot of players. Participating in the Shrine Bowl combine at least says the player previously showed interest.

  • SQ630 Apr 12, 1:58 p.m.
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    Yep played in Charlotte. The memorial stadium. Met some NFL legends that week who were guest. Also drove a car around the track at Charlotte speed way. Cool stuff for a 17 yr old

  • CONSTANTTHINKER Apr 12, 11:49 a.m.
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    The funny thing is...Before the combine the coaches already know what kids they won't ....Its like 40 Applicants applying for a job they'll never get.

  • btango Apr 12, 10:14 a.m.
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    So you played in Charlotte. Spartanburg is not geographically great but the town treats the game very well. The volunteer effort is huge!!! Many complaints but I do think the game is trying to evolve more but it is tough when it is a total volunteer effort. One full time and one part time are the only two paid employees. Planning for the following year starts literally the week of this game.

  • silkyjohnson Apr 12, 9:12 a.m.
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    Most hand time 40 yard dashes are garbage. Electronic timing is the only way to go.

  • SQ630 Apr 12, 12:14 a.m.
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    Oh my. Long time ago! Pre subdivide era. My team won BTW.

  • SQ630 Apr 11, 11:41 p.m.
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    LOL! Yeah it was a good experience back then. They treated us well all week. Game was packed and televised live on the local TV stations

  • btango Apr 11, 11:18 p.m.
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    SQ what year did you play?

  • btango Apr 11, 11:17 p.m.
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    The combines are great in helping coaches get a read on players. There have been players picked based on how they performed at the combine when it came down to them and other players.

    I have seen players measure out very bad but really bust out at the invitation combine. I have also seen the opposite.

    Regarding NFL All Pro is a group of players that basically play against the same caliber of competition. It is hard to size up a player on film and stats in NC. You cannot compare the stats or film of a player playing 1A football to a player playing in a tough 4A conference or even some 4A conferences to others. I think seeing the players up close has made a difference.

  • uBnice Apr 11, 9:42 p.m.
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    Good stuff, man. That is a small fraternity of players. Congrats! Now I understand your posts better. Crazy LBs! LOL!

  • SQ630 Apr 11, 9:36 p.m.
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    I thought I was bad until I went to Charlotte for a week for that game. LOL. You had to bring it back then! Lots of contact the week of practice.
    I was a LB. Played on the line too.

  • uBnice Apr 11, 8:17 p.m.
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    Hey now! So back in the day, you werea bad boy? You made the Shrine Bowl All-Star game? You must have had more than 40 speed, which is overrated. Football speed is much more important. For example, a DL 40 is meaningless. But their 10-yard split speaks to their explosiveness. Kawann Short of the Carolina Panthers is an example. Fast off the ball but 40 time is about 5.0.

    What position did you play?

  • SQ630 Apr 11, 4:17 p.m.
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    NC major issue was the State title games but they still were able to win on some occasion. :)

  • nepsy7 Apr 11, 3:53 p.m.
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    No complaints! Their winning.

  • SQ630 Apr 11, 3:45 p.m.
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    I played in the game and I can confirm my 40 tine had nothing to do with it. LoL My opinion is many of the best season performances are by guys who don't messure well. You already know many of the 4/5 star guys dont need to do it to make the team. They can stink it up too or shut it down for their Sr year

  • uBnice Apr 11, 3:07 p.m.
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    The final team is a result of a rather extensive process given it is all volunteer work. They do not pick the Shrine Bowl players with just the initial combine. They simply get measurables on interested potential players. You know those school program guide numbers of height and weight can be very "deceptive". lol. Players also have to submit highlight film for the initial combine. They will reduce the numbers and do a re-invite combine evaluating actual football moves, like 7-on-7, pass rushing, route running and catching, qb throwing, etc. I think they wear helmets and shoulder pads then. They select the final team based game film, their evaluation up close and personal, planned offensive and defensive schemes, and those measurables they take.

    The Shrine Bowl of NC-SC has 80 years doing this. And NC has won the past 2 games. I think they may know what they are doing.

  • SQ630 Apr 11, 12:18 p.m.
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    I never cared for a combine to pick an All Star team to play a football game. They don't pick NFL All-Pro or even the Pro Bowl based off a 40 time or 225/reps. That stuff weighs in with the draft but after that you don't put any 1st round pick in the Pro Bowl until he does something productive on the field.

  • White Santa Apr 11, 9:43 a.m.
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    They aren't worried about these results. Just collecting a little money and putting the game in people's minds. McNeill and Wilson may not even participate in one of these combines but they would throw up great numbers. They will be invited onto the team anyway.

  • SQ630 Apr 10, 8:20 p.m.
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    Good size with Heritage's Kane. 6'3 270

  • uBnice Apr 10, 5:58 p.m.
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    http://www.highschoolot.com/clayton-hosts-shrine-bowl-combine/16633920/

    Not the most impressive numbers. But I see why Devin Carter, Clayton WR, is hot: 6'3", 198, 4.5 40, 17 reps of 185.

    DBs were the overall fastest, then WRs, slow RB, DL, OL, QB. Last year Shrine Bowl OL were all 6'3" or taller, 270 or heavier. They also had tall, fast DL and speed and length at WR. Not many meeting that criteria in this group. And the NC team had team speed. Hopefully the local talent will represent this year.

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