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diddydontplay77 Apr 22, 1:24 a.m.
The Band Director is leaving too??? Okay.......now I'm really TICKED OFF!!!
oldtimecoach Apr 21, 11:43 p.m.
Never done more in JoCo other than to pass through on my way somewhere else. Can't recall ever going to a game there and sure never coached there. All you're stirring is your own manure.
Ohmy99 Apr 21, 3:13 p.m.
Your opinion. Wrong. But you are entitled to your opinion. Have never met the man, just making an observation.
Have a nice weekend.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 21, 2:47 p.m.
A lot has happened since my last post. 99 you do have a gripe your post proves it. Saying things like I wouldn't hire a guy who abandoned a team and speaking for a school and the people in that school that you don't have a connection with. So the only reason to post things like that is you have some issue with JW. You and Stuart are out of bounds on this one. I not trying to change your mind I am saying that your true purpose for posting what you have is because you don't like the guy and using a school and the people affiliated with the schools as a excuse to bash JW.
Ohmy99 Apr 21, 2:36 p.m.
No gripe. Just an opinion. Looks like I have stirred the old JOCO coaching pot.
Have a great weekend.
oldtimecoach Apr 21, 2:19 p.m.
I'm pretty sure that no one who has read any of your posts on here would be surprised that your opinion has not been swayed in any way by any degree of logical reasoning. It's probably best just to leave you be and hopefully, like the rest of the "towel boys", you'll soon disappear once your one gripe is old news.
Ohmy99 Apr 21, 1:39 p.m.
Never said he owed anyone an explanation. Some of you don't seem to get the idea of message boards. An exchange of ideas and opinions.
I and some others have opinions that lean one way and some have opinions that lean another way. So be it. No one will really know unless they speak with the person themselves.
My opinion hasn't changed from this back and forth. That is for sure.
cgreen Apr 21, 1:01 p.m.
3. Sometimes you've made improvements, got things going the right way, and you're confident the kids will be taken care of.
4. Sometimes you just can't put up with something in your job--and with coaching it could be administration, teaching load, parents, financial support for the program--in short a variety of reasons.
5. Sometimes you want a new challenge. Coaches are competitive. Challenges excite most of them.
Bottom line: it's the person's life, it's his career, and it's his decision. He doesn't owe you an explanation for why he made the decision. Jimmy did what he felt was best for him and for his family. That's all that matters.
For any of you who have a snide comment to make, go for it. I'll just go ahead and say up front: yes, Jimmy's my friend. Yes, I've personally changed schools several times and sometimes people didn't like it and sometimes people understood and sometimes maybe they even said good riddance. But it's my life, not theirs.
cantbustem1 Apr 21, 12:57 p.m.
Just heard that the band director is also leaving West. Might be for some of the same reasons that the AD and Football coach is leaving.
cgreen Apr 21, 12:39 p.m.
A few points:
1. What business is it of yours when a man chooses to changes jobs? Almost everyone changes jobs at one time or another for a variety of reasons: more money, better working conditions, whatever. Football coaches are no different. Football coaches want to make as much money as they can while being as happy as they can with where they are--you know, just like everybody else. When they think another job is a better opportunity for them and their family, they'll take it--like everybody else.
2. Sometimes, unlike most other people in other professions, they will turn down more money or better working conditions because they feel like they don't want to leave the kids they've been working with. Been there, done that. Life lesson: there are kids somewhere other than where you are who need good coaches as much--or more--than the kids you're currently working with.
I got more so I'll spread this over two posts....
Sports4life Apr 21, 9:52 a.m.
good point and know the kids don't feel abandon they're just a little upset thank you
Sports4life Apr 21, 9:45 a.m.
umm know he's just making sense unlike you .. cw left for reasons and I don't Even know why you are concerned if it doesn't deal with your school
Ohmy99 Apr 21, 9:43 a.m.
Looks like we disagree. I really don't care what you think about my posts or my motives.
And if you think kids or parents don't care about this, you are wrong. Have you spoken to any WJ kids or parents? I have. They feel abandoned. But that doesn't fit your narrative. Did this person attend Clayton, play for a certain coach there? I am asking because I don't know. And I have no idea what happened in the 70's, 80's and 90's. All I know is that Clayton has been competitive but I wouldn't call it a winning history. As an FYI, he will not be on the sidelines and he built a nice program in a short time period at WJ and is walking away from that for a job in the same town for supposed reasons that don't add up in my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, that is your choice. Seems like others agree with me. Why not stay at WJ and be the AD if that is what he wanted to do. BTW, how did Clayton finish last year. Same ole, same ole.
Sports4life Apr 21, 9:36 a.m.
what you hear is the won 4 games last year and the were only blew out once
Sideline2Sideline Apr 21, 9:25 a.m.
Lol. I'm still the passionate on?. I'm not offended by your opinion I'm questioning it and how genuine you are.Kids will be alright you act like they are going threw trauma or something.lol Have you been around high schools kids? They are not walking around sulking about this.lol Everything in that middle paragraph is generic generalized stuff. You telling me you care so much about West kids or their assistants is bs like I said before you don't really care you're just using that as a campaign to bang on JW. Ok your last paragraph so losing to one team means you don't have a winning tradition? Clayton has won 8+ games decades ign a row you saying we lose to a school that bigger than every school in the conference big whoop. I been a Clayton fan a long time before we were in the GNRC we was in the Big 8 of I'm correct on the name and we won that conference multiple years back to back. Before that in 5 county conference we won a lot as well.
Ohmy99 Apr 21, 9:04 a.m.
This is a message board where people express their opinions. If you don't like my opinions on this subject, TOUGH. I could care less.
Yes, I feel bad for the kids who have listened to a coach preach for 3 or 4 years about the coach speak and building a program and this and that and all the other BS and then walks away for a job, 5 minutes down the road. The same job except he isn't coaching. How do his assistants and their families feel if they are not retained and lose their jobs and lost that stipend they count on.
Still waiting on this winning tradition at Clayton that was mentioned. BTW, Garner has won the GNRC for all but a few years in the last 10 that I can recall and has beaten Clayton for 27 straight years. Garner has a winning tradition and an unbelievable booster club. Not one affiliated with the school who is afraid to hurt the bands feelings. Yeah, I have been told about that one at Clayton.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 21, 9:03 a.m.
I'm not at all passionate but that's fine if you interpret it that why. No I'm not JW nor do I know him well. I have been around plenty of football coaches though. I don't understand why people care so much and question why take another job. How does it affect you or the other guy? But no one wants to answer those questions for me even though I reply back to theirs. The same happens in college sports AD leaves for another AD job. Let's take it to a smaller level people leave a company as a manger to become a manger at another company no big deal. That's the bottom line not what you're saying. Are you guys West fans or work at the school what is it because I didn't start this conversation so its funny I'm passionate but 99 talking about abandonment like it's personal.
stuart0223 Apr 21, 8:46 a.m.
sideline2sidline you are very passionate about all of this, why? The only thing I can figure is you are JW or you are very close to him. Bottom line is this, it really doesn't make sense that you would leave one job for the other. Is the Principal at West that bad? Is it the parents/kids? It just doesn't make sense to a lot of people. How can you even justify it as a good career move for yourself, it's the same job, AD at West or AD at Clayton?
Sideline2Sideline Apr 21, 7:46 a.m.
Agqin how do you know about each booster clubs? Are you at Clayton and West booster meetings? Also if winning tradition is just winning a State title than by your logic Garner doesn't have a winning tradition either. I know you won't answer the questions above bit I don't expect you to have legit anwsers anyway because you don't know. Going to a game doesn't tell you how good a booster club is.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 21, 7:43 a.m.
When I say good evening I actually mean it. But anyway I'm not upset I just don't like people like you up here trying to bash people behind a keyboard and hide it behind things like "what example is he setting for the kids" and " I wouldn't hire someone who quits" bs that you post. Anyone who read every post on this thread from you can clearly see you have issues with this man. But instead of going to him face to face you decide you try and bash him on the board. There is a difference between critizining a coach about football decisions like scheme or particular play calls. But you're taking it personal with what you're posting just admit it. I'm just simply calling you out on the BS and the real reason you decided to post and it's not because West is the same as Clayton why he leave stuff your posting now since I killed your first reasons.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 10:18 p.m.
Btw, it is principal.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 10:17 p.m.
The majority of those are untrue, but nice try. Good list, very generic.
I have been to both, WJ's football games were packed. Baseball program is better and more successful the last few years.
What winning tradition does Clayton have? 1989 State championship. 30 years ago.
Parents support all sports, no matter what school.
Booster club, huh? You mean Gary's slush fund.
Like I said, great list, doesn't apply to Clayton, maybe Garner, but not Clayton. Now Garner has a booster club.
Broadway Joe Apr 20, 10:10 p.m.
Top reasons to move to Clayton High School to coach or be an AD. #1 A principle who supports sports. #2 Community Support. #3 A winning tradition. #4 Successful Booster Club. #5 Facilities. #6 Parent support. #7 Money. #8 Closer to home. #9 Successful Middle School programs. #10 Staff
Broadway Joe Apr 20, 10:01 p.m.
It is a business and/or family decision that goes on everyday in the world.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 7:38 p.m.
Wow. Why are you so upset? I think you are a little closer to the situation than you admit.
And you telling me I have an axe to grind means nothing. Because you don't know me.
I just think something doesn't seem right. That is all. Doesn't add up. Face it, neither job is all that attractive. WJ is going down hill and Clayton is a million years old with not great facilities.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 6:48 p.m.
As expected you dodge my questions to you again as you've been doing this whole back and forth. I wasn't if you had one I'm telling you that you do. No one just jumps into a thread without it having some type of connection to it. Everyone in this forum knows I'm a Clayton fan. But you just pop up randomly and start attempting to call out a person about taking other jobs and using a BS excuse like what example is he setting for the kids isn't just "making conversation buddy". Whatever though stay in your lies that you believe as the truth.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 6:09 p.m.
Maybe you should ask your friend at WJ about an AD's responsibilities and the time they spend at the school. No axe to grind. Just making conversation.
Have a nice evening.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 5:33 p.m.
How do you know a AD stays longer than anyone except the principal? Have you been an AD? Also what doesn't add up a person decided to leave one job for another it happens every day. That's why I know you have an axe to grind against JW or this affects you in so way why is this such a big deal to you.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 5:25 p.m.
so you are saying I am wrong, I am saying you are wrong. How about that.
When things don't add up, I question. Maybe it is nothing, or maybe things will be changing at WJ and he was concerned about his job.
His reason in the paper was to spend more time with family if I read correctly. Well, an AD is at the school more than any other person except the principal, so that raised a red flag in my mind.
You just never know.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 5:18 p.m.
You're the one really passionate about this I'm simply playing devil's advocate. I don't know JW personally I have meet him before. I have friends in high school coaching profession and your assumptions are simply lazy. I don't know any examples I said that's what I heard goes around their. I didn't it was a teacher, it could be someone in administration you're really bad at this assuming thing . But the sad part is in your mind you're proving me wrong and everything you're saying is right. The only thing you're right on is if he did leave because of talent it's nothing wrong with that. But again I ask you if that's the reason why not simply go take another coaching job no one quits coaching because of lack of talent. Th assumption you got would have more merrit to it if he took another coaching job he just an AD now.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 5:06 p.m.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 5:05 p.m.
You seem to like to take big leaps to attempt at making an excuse for an obvious friend. I am assuming you are close to the school system, either at Clayton or WJ by your posts on these boards.
And again. If you aren't doing anything wrong, what can anyone say. No offense, but you act like the PE and weightlifting teachers are hanging with the others on a daily basis.
Like I said, provide some examples. Happy to listen. So are you saying a social studies teacher with an axe to grind drove Coach Williams to Clayton?
My guess is, my assumptions are a lot closer than your made up stuff.
Just say it, he left because the team was decimated by graduation and he didn't want to stick around and rebuild. Not a bad thing, just a more feasible an explanation.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 4:59 p.m.
Also what's your excuse now using that bs "kids" reason was garbage.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 4:57 p.m.
There you go assuming again. I didn't say anything about being worried or them doing anything wrong in my post. You seem like you have an axe to grind. No one no matter what profession wants to deal with coworkers like that.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 4:50 p.m.
If you follow the rules, why would someone be worried? Are you saying the athletics dept at WJ was breaking the rules and hoping not to get caught.
Maybe you could site some examples of what they were worried about.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 4:47 p.m.
Look at the time of our posts buddy. Same time.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 3:43 p.m.
Try reading buddy
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 2:29 p.m.
Waiting on those better resources at Clayton.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 2:29 p.m.
Better support from the community and businesses around the community. Also better support in the school from people that actually rooting for you to do well. From what I heard from people over their some adults walking around in the halls was looking/hoping for anything wrong to report to get them fired.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 2:25 p.m.
Man grow up what example are you talking about? Kids if you decided to do make a move in your career don't.smh Thats a cop out by you what's the real reason you have an issue? Is your kid at West. Btw if the JV has won 2 games in 2 years they didn't help build anything.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 1:22 p.m.
Sure, if abandoning student athletes that have helped build your program and athletic department is your thing.
I am sure there are behind the scenes things that have happened or were going to happen that triggered this move. I just don't think it sets a good example for the student athletes.
Broadway Joe Apr 20, 1:14 p.m.
I would much rather be an AD at Clayton than an AD at West.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 12:37 p.m.
That 15 minute commute must have been rough.
Broadway Joe Apr 20, 12:35 p.m.
JW lives on the Clayton side of the county.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 11:28 a.m.
And what resources are so much better at Clayton. I have attended sporting events at both and WJ seems to have the nicer facilities.
And why not stay and be AD at WJ. Same county, same town, same pay.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 11:27 a.m.
Btw others have made the comment their JV has won 2 games this past season and only was blown out once. I know when they play Clayton JV it was a pretty competitive game I didn't feel like we were playing a bad team. I thought we had more sophomores and was more experienced though.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 20, 11:23 a.m.
Seema like a lot of assumptions by both of you. JW isn't coaching he's just the AD now so assuming he left because of talent doesn't hold water he could've just left and went to another coaching vacancy. Both of his kids are in college now. Plus let's be honest being the AD at Clayton is better than at West. More resources here at Clayton than West.
Ohmy99 Apr 20, 11:03 a.m.
My thoughts exactly. Looks to me like the person who left WJ abandoned that school due to the large number of kids leaving the program. Doesn't seem like the kind of person I would then hire to lead my athletic program at another school. I would think people at both schools know why he left WJ. Not sure this sets a great example for the kids. Should be interesting to see who gets the job at WJ.
stuart0223 Apr 20, 10:31 a.m.
Regardless if the old staff stayed or left, West Johnston was going to take a big hit. I heard their JV teams have not won a game in the last two years. Sounds like the coaches their knew what was coming and jumped ship to me. I mean, why leave one school that you are already AD at to go 15 minutes down the road to do the same job? What's so terrible at West that you have to leave? Doesn't matter if they bring in Saban himself they are going to struggle the next few years.
Sideline2Sideline Apr 19, 3:10 p.m.
They don't have to go anywhere they can simply decided not to coach anymore.
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