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  • goatcheese Apr 20, 3:16 p.m.
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    W

  • Mraau95 Apr 20, 1:37 p.m.
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    Hats off for getting hoggard on the schedule

  • uBnice Apr 17, 8:47 a.m.
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    See Orange schedule on CarolinaPreps.com:

    http://carolinapreps.com/teams/frontend/teampage/teamDetails/281

  • Mraau95 Apr 16, 7:28 p.m.
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    What's orange on conference next year?

  • uBnice Apr 13, 1:01 p.m.
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    True that. And I suspect that Orange did not have the same body count for DL in 2016 that they had in 2015. So they went strictly to the 3-4 in 2016. Once I visited their website and it showed 6-7 DL listed for varsity.

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 13, 12:53 p.m.
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    In 2015 Orange played about 50-50 4-3 and 3-4

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 13, 12:53 p.m.
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    But that's what did it. Xach Gill and his boys for WF and Orange's plethora of large humans that they can run in the game are what set them apart.

  • uBnice Apr 13, 12:50 p.m.
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    For example, the two most dominant defenses in this area, Wake Forest and Orange, ran the 3-4 and were both powered by other-worldly LBs, Lawrence and Wilson, respectively. Of course it helped WF and Orange to have at least one outstanding D1 DL.

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 13, 12:47 p.m.
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    I agree in that it's better to have a 3-4 than a 4-3 if you have the difference makers to be able to fill out a 3-4 linebacker core, but by the same token it's hard to find those kids. More athletic defenses run 3-4 schemes because it's a harder scheme to run, but it's more effective. Take the Steelers for example. They're famous for the 3-4 the past decade because they had a true nosetackle in Hampton that anchored the whole thing, throwback DE's in Kiesel and Smith who could take the beating that comes with playing 5 technique, and they had true OLB's like Porter and Harrison and true mikes like Farrior, Timmons, and Foote. That's an unusual combination of athletes, but bear in mind the Steel Curtain was a 4-3. It all depends on what you have. Northern's also run the numbers defense well in the past.

  • uBnice Apr 13, 12:42 p.m.
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    Point taken. However, the 3-4 is all about the LBs and I think it is easier to find guys who can fit the LB schemes in the 3-4.

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 13, 12:37 p.m.
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    It's hard at the high school level to be able to find d-linemen athletic enough to play a true 3-4 though. You need a real nosetackle, and two ends who are willing to buy in to playing inside the tackles, which is a whole different game. More often than not that's hard to find

  • uBnice Apr 13, 12:34 p.m.
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    Good. Now we are talking football. I hope he isva coach that will fit a scheme to what he has instead of forcing a scheme that does not fit. One reason that HS teams go to the 3-4, in my humble opinion, is the lack of bigs on the DL. You need backup and for a 4 DL you need 8 bigs. For a 3-4, only 6 bigs.

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 13, 12:04 p.m.
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    From what I understand he'll lean more toward a spread-type attack on offense, but is able to mold the system to fit the players he has. On defense, more of a true 4-3 I believe.

  • White Santa Apr 13, 11:19 a.m.
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    Lol. I'm sensitive. That's a hoot. Never change BCV. : )

  • BCV Apr 13, 11:07 a.m.
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    dude I only responded to the shade you and your boy started throwing at King. don't get all sensitive. it aint nothing new, you should be used to me occasionally lambasting anything related to Northern Durham anyway. I mean, yeah sometimes i do it just because but this time there was provocation !! :)

  • White Santa Apr 13, 10:29 a.m.
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    No real clue. When GC had Parker under center they threw the ball all over the place. Moved out of the pocket a lot. Last year without him they were primarily a running team. My guess is he's rather open it up but will decide once he sees personnel. No idea about defense. He will be undersized next year for sure so they are going to have to mix up looks. The team lost a lot.

  • uBnice Apr 13, 9:34 a.m.
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    @whitesanta Starved for football talk? Yes I am. :-)

    So, what offensive and defensive schemes are you expecting from Hammett?

  • uBnice Apr 13, 9:19 a.m.
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    Thank you for the info. I feel better now. :-)

  • White Santa Apr 13, 9:13 a.m.
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    I was the staunchest critic of how this was handled from the firing to how long it took to replace. I'm not throwing shade at King. Also said I was surprised they didn't hire him. But they obviously didn't like his approach during the process. Since I wasn't in the room and I didn't do the interviewing and I don't know what any of the applicants presented (just like you and BCV and the rest of us starved for real football to talk about) I can't say how it went down.

    And yes, Hammett has met with the kids, has some staff in the building, and their spring and summer was scheduled completely within a handful of days of his hiring. And the dude had Webb within one score against champion Dudley of playing for the state championship. Webb. Dubious? Please.

  • uBnice Apr 13, 8:58 a.m.
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    By the way, has Coach Hammett started football operations at Northern yet? There is a lot of catching up to do.

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    This is not about King. Surely King and Hammett were not the only ones to apply for the job. As I have said before, I hope Hammett is wildly successful for Northern's sake. However, I find it curious that you see success in Hammett's past, however dubious that may be, but throw shade at the successful King. I must admit, I am disappointed in Northern D. I had hoped for better. Did you not as a staunch supporter?! But it should have been clear from their hatchet job of firing Wilson that this would end in some type of controversy.

    It is what it is. Hammett is the HC. Let's move forward. Go Knights!

  • White Santa Apr 13, 8:41 a.m.
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    Remains to be seen. Throw shade all you want but he's done pretty well at more difficult jobs than any in Durham County and did it without relying on kids that shouldn't have been at his schools. Now shouldn't you take your obsession to the next job King applies for. This isn't new news anymore...

  • BCV Apr 13, 8:15 a.m.
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    Really the undying question to Northern Durham is this ...

    Is that the BEST you COULD DO ?????

  • uBnice Apr 12, 11:25 p.m.
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    King aside, Hammett was the best they could do after such a long time? Sounds like other than King, no one who had better background wanted or applied for the job. That is a sad statement in itself and probably a direct result of the administration.

  • uBnice Apr 12, 11:20 p.m.
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    So is truth.

  • White Santa Apr 12, 8:57 p.m.
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    They're not wrong about the fact that the administration butchered the process. Just surprised that king's ability to win with the best talent procured (sometimes within the rules) because Hillside is allowed magnet status by the district is the reason why everybody should hand him the keys to the equipment room. Again, I didn't like the timing of the firing of wilson or how they handled it. I didn't like the fact they took relatively long to fill the opening. But I certainly don't blame them for not offering king.

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 12, 8:10 p.m.
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    Sarcasm is wasted on the ignorant

  • uBnice Apr 12, 5:19 p.m.
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    Yep. The Northern D administrators probably felt they had to drum up competition for an underwhelming 1A coach?! Really?! Make no mistake: Hammett is not competition for King. Hammett probably was the result of desparation because the administration botched the process. They fired Wilson and thought they had a replacement. They did not. So the process dragged on and on to the point of thoughts of incompetence (if not worse). King is not the point. The point is how Hammett became the coach of choice. There was no better competition for HC for Northern D? Hmmm.

  • White Santa Apr 12, 4:11 p.m.
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    I guess that all sounds plausible.

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 12, 4:08 p.m.
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    Scottie probably felt threatened by his superior football intellect. That's what it was. And the Northern admin. probably felt like they needed to drum up some competition for the job, so they convened and decided to tell everyone that King interviewed. Come on santa, that sounds convincing, right? lol

  • White Santa Apr 12, 3:39 p.m.
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    I'm talking about your little world where King happily left ECU and didn't apply for the Northern job.

  • BCV Apr 12, 1:44 p.m.
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    Not in a strange world at all. Taking so long to hire a new head FB coach shows how messy or unorganized that administration is. Even you must admit that.

  • White Santa Apr 12, 11:57 a.m.
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    You have fun in that strange world of yours where everything makes sense to you? lol

  • BCV Apr 12, 11:31 a.m.
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    its possibly that one of us will have to eat that. however, if he goes .500 that kinda par for the course for Northern Durham football. so success there is just relative to the type of program it is.

  • BCV Apr 12, 11:29 a.m.
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    no no no you have this all wrong. I don't want him to sell jack squat to Northern !!!! I say he didn't even apply. Why would he ? Its obvious that the administration there is quite blunderous. Yeah, so bad I had to make up a word to describe them.

  • uBnice Apr 11, 8:06 p.m.
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    That is one perspective. Another is that the Northern Durham administration did not choose appropriately. It was a bit of a mess they created. The sheer handling of this does not exactly say the administration had their ducks in a row. Almost similar to the Orange HC doodling before they made the obvious best choice. I look forward to watching the progress of both those New Big 8 conference teams under new HC. I do hope that the new Northern coach is wildly successful.

  • White Santa Apr 11, 6:05 p.m.
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    Not my point. But anyway...

    Bottom line, he had his shot and must not have been able to sell himself as well as you fellas would like to on this board. He will end up somewhere and I have no doubts he will do fine.

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 11, 3:22 p.m.
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    I'm gonna keep track of this post and hit you up at the 2018 season. I'm going to give him this year, but one of us is going to have to eat that lol

  • uBnice Apr 11, 3:16 p.m.
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    Nick Saban resigned from the Dolphins. Lou Holtz resigned from Notre Dame.

    Does it matter whether King resigned or was fired?! College coaches resume's often look like they have been in the military with the number of jobs/teams they go through.

    But one thing is for certain, King would had brought one years worth of college exposure with him. Northern players would have benefitted from a coach who knows how to develop and coach D1 talent.

  • White Santa Apr 11, 1:20 p.m.
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    Know who else resigned? Richard Nixon.

  • BCV Apr 11, 7:45 a.m.
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    tell me where you read that he was fired. that is nowhere on ECU's website.

    Even if it was, that is pretty much the college coaching world, a carousel. But come with verifiable facts not conjecture.

  • BCV Apr 11, 7:42 a.m.
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    @knightgrad60

    lmao

    Not blowing smoke at all. But just because you sat in Santa's lap last December and asked for a good coach doesn't mean you got one.

  • KnightGrad60 Apr 10, 3:45 p.m.
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    @BCV I absolutely love the fact that you enjoy blowing smoke up Antonio King's @@@ so much that you are denying the fact that he even interviewed lol. As White said, if nothing else, you are consistent.

  • RedRam05 Apr 10, 3:05 p.m.
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    webb and orange was in the same comference

    also to mention King...he was a great HS coach he was fired from ECU but did what he was supposed to do at hillside win

  • BCV Apr 10, 1:26 p.m.
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    lol. yep.

  • BCV Apr 10, 1:22 p.m.
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    but I am glad it didn't happen. Im just laughing at the "so called reasons"

  • BCV Apr 10, 1:21 p.m.
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    @4daculture
    lmfao. I knooooooooooooow!!! Isn't it strange how that works ??? Tooooo funny.

  • 4daculture Apr 10, 1:06 p.m.
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    The measure of success is 4-6 in the first round and only one second round win in four tries. Meanwhile a coach with six-straight PAC-6 titles (40-straight PAC-6 victories), 1 State Championship (16-0) PAC-6 Coach-of-the-Year honors in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 and invites to coach the 2014 Semper Fidelis All-American Game and the 2015 Shrine Bowl of the Carolinas( NC won) is not a great x and o guy and is only as good as his assistants. WOW.

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    Granville Central, JF Webb, Rocky Mount when they were down?

    I wish the new HC well. But the link does not exactly inspire for playing against the likes of Hillside, Southern, or even Orange.

  • uBnice Apr 10, 12:25 p.m.
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    Personally, I love the smell of Napalm in the morning.

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