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  • screenshots1234 Mar 31, 7:11 p.m.
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  • ishudknow Mar 20, 8:26 p.m.
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    Knightgrad, those are posts that make sense as opposed to hyperbole and exaggeration from some

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 20, 4:42 p.m.
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    I say again though, most of the offensive woes stemmed from not having as stable an offensive line as they did the year before. And they wore out faster because they were consistently played both ways. That's not Northern football.

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 20, 4:41 p.m.
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    I think what DreamBig means, in broader terms, is that the offense was basically not well constructed when Wilson took over, or attempted to take over coordinating duties. Which is true. They might've had more than four plays, but they had alot of plays for example they would try to run a spring out and the line would't be told to mirror the quarterback, or they'd try to trap block defensive linemen who were too far inside to gain leverage on. They had a few plays were they just didn't block either defensive end.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 17, 4:19 p.m.
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    Four plays are four plays but forgive me for using the keep it short and simple method. Also, if you go off MaxPreps for stats, you will be off by a mile but to keep it short and simple, he's gone and that's for the better.

  • Pick 6 Mar 15, 5:18 p.m.
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    Amen!!

  • ishudknow Mar 15, 10:29 a.m.
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    I looked. They don't have two 1,000 yd receivers.
    Middle Right and Middle Left? Those are plays? I'm sorry, but I've never encountered a team whose plays were either middle right or middle left. That's not even a Pop Warner thing, is it? That's the kind of gibberish you hear from someone sitting in the stands who doesn't understand the difference between inside zone, veer, midline, counter, power, trap, etc---countless different ways to "run it up the middle".

    I also decided to check out some ND film just to see if it was truly 4 plays. The first two plays I saw weren't in your list. It's one thing to decide you want to trash a coach, but at least have a clue about what you're talking about when you do.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 15, 9:04 a.m.
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    Middle Right & Middle Left (two plays) but I answered your question of naming a team in the Triangle. Look at their stats and total offense.

  • Pick 6 Mar 13, 9:41 p.m.
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    Who said they were bottom of the barrel talent wise?? I didn't. In my opinion they were the 3rd most talented team in the Pac-6. What did they do? Finished 3rd in the Pac-6. Exactly were the should have finished barring an upset. QB wasn't a bum either, he was at 3rd or 4th best QB in the conference. Far from bottom of the barrel.

  • ishudknow Mar 13, 8:49 p.m.
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    No you didn't name a team with 2 1,000 yard rushers and two 1,000 TD receivers. They don't exist.
    As for the 4 plays-- what were the two "runs up the middle"? AND you said no slants but then list slant.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 13, 2:19 p.m.
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    Again, how was ND QB was selected preseason PAC6 POY if they were such bottom of the barrel talent?

  • DreamBig42 Mar 13, 2:17 p.m.
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    Up the middle the first two down, sweeps and slant short route and post. That's your four my friend. No power game established or quick slants to wear the defense nor kill the clock.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 13, 2:14 p.m.
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    Hey pal, he said give one team and I did. They used a spread and at least five skill players shined.

  • oldtimecoach Mar 13, 10:55 a.m.
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    I'm interested in knowing what the four plays were.

  • Pick 6 Mar 13, 10:36 a.m.
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    Don't get carried away man, Northern Durham had some talent, but shouldn't be compared to Cardinal Gibbons. Cardinal Gibbons offense, especially their RPO's was far more complex, and plus there was a huge difference between the offensive lines and the QB play. Despite the talent CG had at the skill kid position, Stoneking was the engine of that offense that forced teams to cover the entire field. More impressive than his arm strength was his efficiency. He finished the regular season with no more than 2 or 3 interceptions versus over 20 TD passes. On this level when you're able to move chains or touch the end zone from anywhere on the field with your passing game, you're going to be successful. But you know my stance, Jimmy and Joes are everything, and despite the skill kid talent you must have a Joe at QB.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 12, 10:34 p.m.
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    Let's take the 1000 yards out the equation, look at the stats of any school in the Triangle and look at how many rushes and receptions with the primary and secondary player on ND. No player had 100 carries on the season and one player had the majority receptions with the secondary with 22? at most. There are single players that ran more plays than the total offense combined. Again my friend, they ran the same four plays won't garnish a 500 yards rusher but will make a defense look like pro bowlers.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 12, 10:23 p.m.
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    Cardinal Gibbons had two RB and the QB. The receivers had 1000 yard if not just under it. Again, how would you know if they ran the same four plays. You keep going on what ifs and I'm going off the talent they were working with. Subliminally, you are saying ND didn't have talent.

  • ishudknow Mar 12, 6:26 p.m.
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    Please list the teams in the triangle that had two 1,000 yd rushers and 2 1,000 TD receivers...then lets see how ridiculous the idea that ND would have them would be

  • DreamBig42 Mar 12, 5:58 p.m.
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    From what I saw out of 10 and 22, they could've went to a power run set just to tire the other teams D-Line and secondary. The kid had a high IQ of the game per his Hudl and him successfully running a wildcat when 12 was injured and the backup was rattled up. And you are right that they wanted 11 to be the ghost of McNeill but Wilson didn't concede that thought.

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 12, 5:36 p.m.
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    The biggest defense in the offense from 2015 to 2016 was losing McNeill and losing two senior captains off the offensive line. They still had three good pieces but could never find good fits for the other two. And they anticipated Burton to step in for Mcneill, but not only is he not the same type of player, he just simply didn't have the same offense around him. And in reality, he already played a big role in the offense the year before, and there was nobody to take his place.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 11, 2:08 p.m.
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    Wasn't the QB projected PAC6 player of the year? So who was he being gauged on if it wasn't possible? You can't get mad because I have a difference of the consensus but with that statement, you are downing the players talent over the coaching.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 11, 2:04 p.m.
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    Call it what you want but how would you know running the exact same four plays for the last two years. We're saying the exact same thing but different words but are you saying those players wasn't capable of doing that?

  • ishudknow Mar 11, 9:40 a.m.
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    Pick6 is spot on...and unrealistic "supporters" like dreambig don't help the situation. 4000 yards of offense from 4 players? At ND? That is beyond ridiculous.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 10, 10:33 p.m.
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    A good coach would've pushed them to greatness. A big receiver with a power back and two scat backs and they didn't have 2500 yards combined!

  • Pick 6 Mar 10, 10:16 p.m.
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    10,11, 3, & 22 were good looking ball players.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 10, 9:39 p.m.
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    My intentions is not to bash Wilson but the culture of high school athletics equals the atmosphere of mid major college programs but it you do it for the love, the support will follow. With ND, all the fire was with the defensive coaches while the offensive ones played rock, paper scissors on which four plays to run. And since we are on politics, some of the best coaches were paying customers in the stands because some players couldn't do no wrong. I'm saying that sometimes people get thrown in positions before their time and he was one of them. With the right plays and discipline, they would've had two 1000 yard rushers (10 & 11) and two 1000 yard receivers (3 & 22).

  • Pick 6 Mar 10, 5:27 p.m.
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    Continued from last....
    within the school district. The last selling point consist of having a strong leader that can stand up to the politics. Can that leader communicate the good that is taking place, or does that leader carelessly allow the negative to be magnified. Does that leader stand up for that coach? No one talks about the kids that have went on to the next level. The only thing that gets talked about is wins and loses. For a coach to be blind-sided answers the political box for me. This is an ok job for a current assistant coach as they have nothing to lose, and everything to gain by the HC coaching experience. However, for someone seasoned, who's had past success on the HS level, the job is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

  • Pick 6 Mar 10, 5:16 p.m.
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    This is why I say good luck finding a HC. They're probably going to have to fill it with a current staffer. Perhaps the OC you just called out, lol.

    These coaches do what they do for practically free..... You ND guys need to be more supportive. The coaching community is extremely small, and outsiders do call locals. Given the "market share" and "transitioned culture" in Durham, Northern is not a desirable football job. The next critical selling point has to be a collaborative and supportive work environment. ND strikes out there as well. In athletics most coaches know when they're going to be let go, in Wilson's case he was blind-sided. The next selling point, building blocks. Building blocks build programs, the best indicator in this is not wins and loses it's bodies committed to the program, and kids going to college for free. Bodies committed equal bodies in the weight room for 4 yrs. Kids in college will keep middle school talent

  • DreamBig42 Mar 9, 7:04 a.m.
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    I'm just a simple guy with an opinion just like you! If I could take a team to a state title in one year, I don't need to be coaching high school but I am a fan of the game on all levels but you have to prepare your players with discipline and attainable goals. There were no teams that just outright beat NHS this year in the regular season, the teams countered the same four plays they ran and kept the defense on the field. Though the stats on MaxPrep doesn't show every game, look at the offensive stats and you tell me that teams didn't pick up on the same four plays.

  • cantbustem1 Mar 9, 6:45 a.m.
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    Why don't you take the job dreamer? Sounds like you are just the right guy. Your knowledge of the game and your motivational skills should take take Them right to the state title.

  • DreamBig42 Mar 9, 12:09 a.m.
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    Wilson is were he should be and that's not coaching! You can't win running the same four plays on offense like clockwork and expect the defense to step up for tree quarters. He had talent but ran players in the hole but didn't have the knowledge to utilize what he had. When the QB got hurt, they ran the wildcat until the backup was ready but couldn't he see that the RB was capable of carrying the load in the backfield. I looked at all the players Hudl footage and saw talent but bad play calling but for the seniors, I feel for them but I hope he finds them some good schools on the next level.

  • Pick 6 Mar 8, 9:05 p.m.
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    1- Dudley

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 8, 3:14 p.m.
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    That's including one forfeit or two?

  • Pick 6 Mar 8, 7:49 a.m.
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    Here's a stat of interest........ Over Wilson's tenure, his non-conference opponents have won 239 games and lost only 70. If my math is correct, his non-conference opponents have won 77% of their games. Against these teams he had a 3-24 record.

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 6, 3:18 p.m.
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    But the point that you're missing is that at some point the program has to get better than beating the daylights out of person, east, jordan, and squeaking past riverside, and losing close games to hillside and everyone else. Say what you want about the schedule, you're (not you specifically) glorifying beating nobody teams, winning your last five easy games, and bowing out in the first round. This is like a less extreme version of the conversation person is having, celebrating beating bartlett yancey and granville central to get them into the playoffs. What has that accomplished?

  • Pick 6 Mar 6, 12:10 a.m.
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    KnightGrad60, Stop it , stop it, stop it man, lol....... Who's bashing Northern???? Not me... I want Northern to succeed and do well. But I am bashing you along with a few of my friends who are also Northern alums. You guys are delusional....Years ago before you were old enough to remember there was a comedy show called "In Living Color". There was a skit called "Lower Expectations" You guys need to join that skit. Wilson did exactly what he needed to do given the schedule that he had no control over. He finished 2nd last year and 3rd this past year. As you say, I can't win this argument, how do you fire a coach that has a 16-6 conference record over the past 4 years. Now again, who in their right mind would tack the generous salary offered to coach in this situation??? Basically if you don't beat Hillside, Southern, and Orange your job will be on the line. Wilson has finished no less then 3rd in the conference and has 2 runner up finishes

  • ishudknow Mar 5, 5:56 p.m.
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    could probably name 20 teams in this area alone with better rosters

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 5, 1:59 p.m.
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    Really? I mean, you're not wrong about last year, they had some glaring holes along the offensive line and not much of a defensive backfield, but look at 2015, name a team that had a better roster than Northern? I'm not trying to disparage Wilson as a person at all, he's a great guy who's great to have a conversation with, but when Trips alignment is too advanced for your defense to cover, and you can't get anything going on offense out of the gate because you've ran your OC off each year you've been the head coach, I don't see how you can frame that as not being a problem? I as much as anyone appreciate your Northern bashing, but you can't win this argument. The team has wickedly underachieved for all but 2013, and that is an undeniable fact. what were the valedictorians names @white

  • White Santa Mar 2, 4:39 p.m.
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    Just to add. Millbrook 2016 was an awful football team. Definitely had 2 or 3 D1 guys but zero else. Offense was sadly one dimensional. That's a game they should have won easily.

  • White Santa Mar 2, 4:15 p.m.
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    You're right about depth. Many games they had the best player on the field at many positions but there was nobody behind them and often the person beside them wasn't competitive. Maybe wilson could have done more to fill out the roster, I don't know But to me it is always bigger than the losses. You can't blame the head coach for everything, especially a volunteer in reality, and not give credit for the good. Wilson is no belichek but the last two valedictorians were football players, their top player this year could have gone to any of the Ivy League schools, and more kids each year have gone on to play the game at some level in college. best of luck to coach wilson wherever he goes.

  • Pick 6 Mar 2, 4:00 p.m.
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    At least it's not just Knightgrad60, it's a few other Northern supporters i run into that are delusional too..... All i heard for 2 years is complaints about Wilson. Here's my realistic question, what else could he have done?? Sometimes we have to be honest. Northern had some talent, they just didn't have the depth of talent that the teams they lost to did. Outside of Holly Springs in 2015 who has Northern lost to that had less talented rosters....... In my Keith Sweat voice "Nobody". Northern could have and should have beat Orange twice. All Orange has done is lose 3 times in that span of time.

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 2, 4:00 p.m.
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    Thanks man! i do too, (I realize the sarcasm) just want the best for NHS

  • White Santa Mar 2, 3:51 p.m.
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    Lol. Wrong topic!!!!

  • White Santa Mar 2, 3:50 p.m.
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    Haven't spoken with one person that believes this is a good idea. How did it even become a piece of proposed legislation?

  • catalyst Mar 2, 3:43 p.m.
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    You sure do plenty of bashing on this forum. He's no longer the coach of your beloved program.. I hope they hire somebody that makes you happy because your complaints become more outrageous with each post.

  • Mraau95 Mar 2, 3:07 p.m.
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    Northern should do prettt decent then, I've always respected their nonconference schedule

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 2, 2:21 p.m.
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    I agree that the administration should have acted sooner, but the atmosphere around the team was much worse than what was let on. And yes, I can say from experience that special teams was not given due diligence one bit.

  • White Santa Mar 2, 2:00 p.m.
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    I think this is a little (or a lot) overboard but I do agree there were wins left on the table. Special teams gaffes alone cost them 4 wins at least the past two years. Blame it on coaching, the players or both, who knows but you are dead right. Toxic is not a label I would place on the program from what I know about it though.
    This decision was simply made by the principal and possibly the AD. No other input that I know of. Which is why not having a person named already working with the potential 2017 team is unacceptable. You CAN NOT let go of a coach in mid-late february and not fill the position almost immediately.

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 2, 12:26 p.m.
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    The booster club at Northern these days it not an incredibly influential force.

  • KnightGrad60 Mar 2, 12:24 p.m.
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    But regardless of the schedules, Northern has had way too much talent the past two years to only win one nonconference game. Aside from the 71st game in 2015, none of those losses were ones that Northern couldn't have one. I contest that this would have happened in 2015 had Northern not had the right athletes come together at the right time. Both years they should have won the PAC6, although I will give leeway for Fenlon getting hurt last year. Not only that, but player discipline was completely nonexistent, he grossly mismanaged his staffs, and had created a toxic environment overall in the football program for the players and in large part the staff.

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