Commitable vs noncommitable college offers

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  • 4moreYears May 19, 2014
    Towel Boy

    It is my belief that the universities know they operate behind a wall of confusion when it comes to recruiting. For Pay recruiting services know this all too well and they too take advantage of young men who have the desire to play four more years. With the use of Hudl, players are able now to put themselves out on the national scene with no expense, and I for one think this is a great opportunity, but between the NCAA and money hungry recruiting services, young players are not prepared for the task of either being recruited or getting recruited. That issue is why this young man felt compelled to make an early commitment. Anything to make it all stop. Parents must educate themselves and HS coaches as well. Recognize when they are overwhelmed and be a shield. You see them every day, remember, as a coach your job does not end when the clock hits zero, it merely starts.

  • durhamfbfan May 18, 2014
    Sports Legend

    A few additional items to note. In my experience.

    Many schools would offer multiple individuals at a given position and have them ranked, many times on a white board in their offices. In general, when a student-athlete was officially offered, no matter where they were on the board (at that given time of the offer - this changes as folks commit etc), if they almost immediately accepted the offer then I was never aware of an instance where when signing day came around that they were not able to sign the LOI - in other words I personally was never a part of a situation where that occurred (not saying that may or may not happen, but in my personal experience I never witnessed that).

    However, what I did witness is the following. That a student-athlete was offered sometime early in the process where they could commit and they were told either verbally or in the written document that multiple folks were being recruited at their position and that they had a max number of scholarships they could ultimately bring in that year. They made this clear to the student-athlete and said that they could think about the offer, but if others committed there was the possibility that at sometime there may not be an offer still there if slots filled up. I never saw this situation reach that point, the student-athlete either committed at sometime and all was fine or they committed somewhere else at their own choosing, but this would be something to clarify.

  • durhamfbfan May 18, 2014
    Sports Legend

    As I understood it, yes, nothing was binding until the LOI on NSD was signed by both sides - the student-athlete/family/guardian and the college/university.

    A written offer places a bit more on the university in that if you do everything you are supposed to do and essentially meet all of the criteria in the letter then one might expect that in sense the document gives some "concreteness" to the offer, but I would take that only to be something along a "Gentlemen's agreement".

    Again, if you have questions, if you need clarification, then ask the questions (to the college coaches - just wanted to be clear that I wasn't referring to myself in that statement)

  • durhamfbfan May 18, 2014
    Sports Legend

    This gets into NCAA regs and I'll be honest, I've been away from the day-to-day of this for some time so I would suggest you check this on-line, it should all be readily available through the NCAA, but as I recall these types of offers really could take place until that summer between JR and SR year and maybe late summer.

  • durhamfbfan May 18, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Yes, I haven't seen/heard/witnessed what I would consider to be a solid offer from a school that wasn't in my opinion clear. If it wasn't clear after words had been spoken, very shortly after that point questions were asked that confirmed everything which I think is something good to do no matter how sure you might be.

  • durhamfbfan May 18, 2014
    Sports Legend

    @akabulldog.



    In my experience, No, this has not always been the case. Situations where the parents/guardians are very involved, then yes. But I had situations where I was the individual that was with the student-athlete where all of this took place in lieu of the parents/guardians. At some point afterward, either through a letter that was addressed to the student-athlete or something sent to their residence, the parents/guardians also received the information. I don't know that there is exactly a set protocol of this might take place for all FBS, FCS or D-II schools. I think the point is that a written offer with have the student-athletes name on it. It will typically be signed by the head coach or an assistant and it will in words spell out what has just been offered. It will also detail what type of things in a general sense you as a student-athlete can do that would allow the offer to not exist anymore. For example - your grades begin to suffer.

  • footballfanatic24 May 17, 2014
    Veteran

    Thanks to all, please keep all info coming. It is greatly appreciated! !! I think more of this type of info needs to be brought to light especially from the schools athletic coaches.

  • akabulldog May 17, 2014
    Rookie

    Durham...EXCELLENT information !!! Isn't it true as well that an official "commit able/written offer goes through the parents-then h.s. coach FIRST ?!....and as you said a commitable offer will be VERY clear...and can not officially be extended until Aug/Sept of a players Senior year...and even more NOTHING is binding until singing LOI on NSD in Feb. of Senior year. Share all the info you can !

  • durhamfbfan May 16, 2014
    Sports Legend

    In response to @akabulldog.

    Student-athletes will get a ton of mail - but that mail is primarily interest and in most cases falls into a ton of other categories that aren't necessarily individual interest.

    I won't go into all of the angles of why I think much of this mail goes out, but suffice it to say that there aren't unlimited folks to recruit for a school and it's good to be always perceived as interested and visible at every high school that may or may not have athletes in a given year and in years to come.

    Regarding "commitable" offers. If someone is officially offered, see my earlier post. Then at the time of the offer, it's imperative for the student-athlete, their family or the HS coach involved to inquire the details of the offer. Point is don't assume that if you really are offered - see earlier post - that the offer means the same thing for every school, every situation, it likely does not.

    It is also likely, unless you are a top prospect that the offer isn't going to exist for certain until signing day. You should check and if possible get whatever is told to you in writing - see written offer in earlier post.

    This process is not simple. Ask questions and don't assume anything!!

  • durhamfbfan May 16, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Getting a letter in the mail or handed to you by a coach at your school with your name on it...Is 9.99 times out of 10, not an offer.

    I had the opportunity over a number of years to be highly involved in this process and I can tell you from first hand experience that OFFERS - real OFFERS occurred under very controlled and organized parameters. In most cases - it occurred with the HEAD FOOTBALL COACH either talking on the phone or in person specifically offering the student-athlete. Yes, there were times that an assistant coach, the coach recruiting the area would extend an offer on behalf of the head coach, but in the vast majority of situations, the head coach was involved to some extent.

    I'll add that when this occurred, in some cases the head coach would then let you know that a letter (official letter) would be drafted describing the offer and be provided to the student-athlete and family. If this was not discussed, I suggested that the student-athlete/family request this letter. The letter moves the offer from an "official verbal" offer to an "official written" offer. In some cases, I've seen the written offer not be extended. In some cases that should tell you that the offer isn't has "solid". I'll add that the written offer would typically have clear language in about the offer. For instance, if your grades dropped from where they were at, the written offer could be rescinded.

    Big point here is the following. If you aren't 100% sure that you've been offered - then you probably haven't. It should be very clear. And when I say very clear, at the FBS level, that means it should be very clear that if you accept this offer, school is paid for next year if you do what you need to do. That is a substantial potential commitment from a school and thus should come across as significant to the student-athlete/family. This is slightly different at the FBS level where partial scholarships occur.

  • piratefball172 May 16, 2014
    Sports Legend

    I mean it is self explanatory. When kids receive these letters or when I did at least, it said we are interested in you. No where did it say we are offering you a scholarship.

  • footballfanatic24 May 16, 2014
    Veteran

    Kinda ironic don't ya think. I post this topic yesterday, and today it is on the front page of the sports section.

  • footballfanatic24 May 16, 2014
    Veteran

    I wonder who all knew about noncommitable offers but neglected to inform the student athletes.

  • akabulldog May 16, 2014
    Rookie

    ffanatic...

    I'm sure people will chime in with more knowledge than myself, and I hope they do ! It's imperative high school players and families know the difference....

    A 'non-commitable' offer is essentially nothing more than a verbal or written statement of "interest". A player may get 30,40,50 of these "offers", but really they aren't "offers" at all. They are "offers" of interest, and on "conditions" (attend our camp, we need to see you in person, keep your grades up, stay out of trouble, continue to improve on and off the field, the list goes on and on). Many times players and families confuse these "offers" as actual/binding scholarship oppourtunites, when in fact, they are NOT.
    A player may get 30-40 of these, it will boost their "rating" to a 3-4 star recruit, other schools jump on board to throw their hat into the ring, to have a chance at that potential recruit, but essentially they are not "actual/binding" offers, (in most cases, and if they are not yet a Senior they are not "true" offers in ALL cases-NOTHING is binding until National Signing Day)
    A "committable" offer can ONLY be offered until Aug./Sept. of the players Senior season. A "committable" offer is basically a done deal (we've seen enough, know enough about you, are offering you a scholarship, all you have to do is say YES, and sign a LOI (Letter of Intent) on National Signing Day (or after-usually the second week in Feb. of their Senior year).
    There is so much information out there that high school recruits need to be aware of, so as not to be mislead, and in the end, perhaps disappointed.
    There is a good article in the News & Observer (Fri. 5/16/14) of how this happened this week to an area player.
    Hope this helps, and I'm sure others have input as well...would love to hear it and learn more myself !

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/05/15/3864443/cleveland-hs-football-player-learns.html?sp=/99/103/#

  • footballfanatic24 May 15, 2014
    Veteran

    I wonder what percentage of the college offers are commitable, and if their is a way of knowing which offers are commitable offers.

  • footballfanatic24 May 15, 2014
    Veteran

    Any thoughts?

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