Will Wake Forest Be Able To Compete For Another Championship Run?

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  • Football247 May 31, 2014
    Rookie

    Anybody know who wake forest is losing from this past season (as far as seniors) and did they produce any college athletes for this specific class? Thanks!

  • piratefball172 May 26, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Wing T doesn't work against Britt either lol...had to throw that in there. Let's just let this season unfold.

    My criteria for a program is championships (conference titles included) and the ability to sustain that success.

  • btango May 25, 2014
    All Star

    Campbell is the equivalent of Davidson for football being fellow members in the Pioneer League which falls under the regulations of the FCS but does NOT offer football scholarships. The Patriot League previously was also non scholarship.

    If someone asked me if Campbell were a D1 football program I would very respectfully explain the situation pointing out that no player there nor in the conference they compete in are on athletic scholarship but they do meet the academics requirements of D1 (FCS and FBS programs). To help explain the level of play I would point to their three wins last season which were against a two win (really weak) D2 school, Davidson, and first year football program Stetson.

    Using Campbell as the example to make the point that a high school sent a player D1 is not an example that I would ever use.

  • West maybe is bestest May 25, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Again-

    Not discrediting anyone but you and frankly its you who do the discrediting of kids who truly do compete and are fortunate enough to gain a actual athletic scholarship to a Div 1 school when you try and pass off a non-scholarship FCS program like Campbell like its on the same level as actual Division 1 school.

    I hope Brant Grisel gets hundreds of offers to play football but you said he was a Division 1 quarterback and as of today that is a inaccurate statement.

    As far as my collegiate career- I played ball at a tiny Division 2 school in Minnesota called Winona State. They always did a nice job of recruiting the Chicago area for kids who wanted to play but didn't have the athletic ability to play at the division 1 level. Really not that much different than Campbell and I was lucky to get the opportunity because I loved the game but was not blessed with a great deal of athleticism. However, we did win some conference championships and I did get a great education and it set me up for the rest of my life.

    I hope all the kids that play HS football get the opportunity that I got and I hope at some point you stop making ludicrous statements just to try and make the Middle Creek program look better than it is. They are doing just fine without someone saying stuff like " Best defense in the state", "Division 1 QB", Best passing attack in the state" etc,etc. Let them prove it on the field and if there defense is that good and their QB is truly one of the best in the state then on Dec 13th they will get a chance to actually beat a Mallard Creek, Butler or other Western school.

  • nepsy7 May 25, 2014
    All Star

    middleburnpage

    This might be a shock to you, but not one of the qb's you mentioned were offered scholarships to play football. One was a walk on, and the other plays for a Non athletic scholarship program.(Campbell) Although they most likely received some assistance. Not one was a big time FBS OR FCS recruit, who decided to commit late. They really did not have a lot of options. It's still a accomplishment either way. They still were given the opportunity to play on Saturday. Hell UNCC just had tryouts, over 45 players participated. No one made it.

  • middleburnpage May 25, 2014
    Veteran

    D1 is D1, there's no excuse. Stop trying to discredit every one accomplishment because it;s not yours. What D1 school did you attend for football?

  • hokiemtc May 25, 2014
    Veteran

    Campbell is indeed Div I (FCS), but is one of the few schools in FCS who does not award athletic scholarships.

    I saw Campbell open against UNC Charlotte last season...because of those lack of scholarships, they do not have Div I size or talent on their roster. I got the impression that Mallard Creek could've beaten them last year.

  • nepsy7 May 25, 2014
    All Star

    middleburnpage

    Campbell is a FCS-1 Non Scholarships program. I have sent numerous players who could not find a school to there program. They just don't have the money to compete with FCS Scholarship teams. They actually compete for the same players a D2 school would have on there radar.The Pioneer League: the nation’s only non-scholarship, football-only Conference

  • middleburnpage May 25, 2014
    Veteran

    And by the way I see 2 sophmores and 4 seniors. Way to be inform about your own picks.

  • middleburnpage May 25, 2014
    Veteran

    west= you just find ways to put people down. Campbell is a d1 school in football. Look it up.
    And just because MR.grisel isn't on any page doesn't mean any school aren't looking at him. you are more misinformed than me and will be looking stupid when he gets many offered.

  • nepsy7 May 25, 2014
    All Star

    Garrett Leatham was a Walk on at NC.State, not familiar with the kid who committed to Campbell. Campbell is a FCS-Non Scholarship level.(Like the Ivey League)They package players with Academic scholarships and grants. Very few players get a 100% covered. I can also tell you that Duke, and UNC are finished for QB's class 2015. Unless someone de-commits. The quiet period starts 6/1/2014 until 7/31/14.

  • West maybe is bestest May 25, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Middleburrn-

    Actually there are 6 juniors and one soph on that list. So again misinformed.

    Congratulations to Mr. Salmon on playing for the Fighting Camels and I hope he does well BUT Campbell University is most decidedly not a D1 football program.

    So again- wrong

    I mean no disrespect to Mr. Grisell who is a good quarterback and hopefully will play on at the next level if that is what he chooses to do. As of this moment he is neither a top QB in the state or a Division 1 prospect.

    Again- wrong

  • middleburnpage May 25, 2014
    Veteran

    west-I never said middle creek was better than butler.But I know butler isn't that much better than wf because butler didn't do better than WF wen they played against mallard creek. I just said other than Mallard creek being the #1 team, the rest of the state can be a toss up. And Middle Creek qb last year went to play for campbell university.
    You've named 2 juniors as far I can see. Hopefully he will be in your mix next year lol.

    Nepsy- It's hard to tell where a Middle Creek qb will go since the last 2 didn't commit till senior year. I wouldn't be a surprise if duke, unc and nc state end up offering him. I mean he is 6-4 225 lbs. But I don't know anything about his recruiting status right now. You will have to ask kmagnuson about that.

  • nepsy7 May 25, 2014
    All Star

    middleburnpage

    Very seldom do qb's get D1 offers this late in the game.(Senior Year) Unless they already have offers. 2014 was the fastest committing class in college history.D1 schools have already started building there boards for the 2016&2017 class. They usually do not sit around and wait to offer a kid, his senior year as a QB. Duke has there one commit for 2015, UNC has two QB commits for 2015. I would imagine NC.State would have offered him by now, since they offered Hinton at Southern Durham. He's not on the Board at ECU, or Wake. Other than saying the last 2 qb's went D1. So I'm pretty sure he should to.(Now that's logical)..lmao! Do you know anything about his recruiting status? Other than being a fan and having all his stats? He could get snatched up late. right now it's not looking good for in state.

  • West maybe is bestest May 25, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Middleburn-

    Fill me in on the last two Middle creek QB's that are now playing at D1 schools. I am familiar with the kid at NC state. Who is the other one?

  • West maybe is bestest May 25, 2014
    Sports Legend

    OK- Middleburn. Took some time on your homework and had to ask some other peoples opinion. Here ya go.

    Will Grier- Davidson Day- Florida Commit
    Jalen Mclendon- West Meck- NC state commit
    Anthony Ratliff- Butler- UNC commit
    Shawn Stankavage- Gibbons- Vandy Commit
    Jaylend Ratliff- Scotland- Georgia Tech Commit
    Kelvin Hopkins- Indy- Army commit
    Lemar harris- Milbrook- Wake forest commit Austin Kendall- CC- 6-7 D1 offers Kendall Hinton- S. Durham- Multiple D1 offers Chazz Suratt- East Lincoln- Multiple D1 offers Josh Ladowski- Lake Norman- Probably plays baseball in college

    I threw in a extra one because I love Ladowski

  • btango May 25, 2014
    All Star

    The reason Catholic did not start out strong is because the competition they played to open the season. Catholic had the toughest non conference schedule of any team in NC last season. They played arguably the two best teams in the Carolinas, Northwestern and Mallard Creek, along with Country Day, a perennial private school power. The DC school, Gonzaga, was very impressive and had much more size and speed than Catholic but inferior coaching and scheming doomed them. Catholic started 2-2.

    Catholic was having a tough time against West Meck but the momentum swung back to Catholic when Shaun Wilson (Shrine Bowl / Duke) went down with a concussion. They were not really pushed in any games other than those five. Surprised me they beat Providence as bad as they did.

  • West maybe is bestest May 25, 2014
    Sports Legend

    "I never used that method to compared 3 teams that have played each other. MY formula is if 2 teams never played before you can compare how they did by comparing the game to a team they both played against"

    OK- So how do you know Middle Creek is better than Butler?

    Sooo... According to your formula. Had Mallard Creek never played Catholic you would be picking Catholic correct?

  • middleburnpage May 25, 2014
    Veteran

    I never used that method to compared 3 teams that have played each other. MY formula is if 2 teams never played before you can compare how they did by comparing the game to a team they both played against. As for that case you can tell Charllote catholic is better than Providence because they actually beat providence. I don't care if mallard creek blew charllote catholic by 100. Charllote catholice will always be better than a team they beat by 25 points. And looking at Charllote catholic schedule it seems they didn't started out strong because they went undefeated till they played dudley. I never used that math before. My math is simple. Compare 2 teams against how they did against a team they both play. Stop saying that's my formula because I never used it before. My formula would have said CC is better than providence because they actually went headed the head and won.

    Now what's your top 10 qb's in the state?

  • West maybe is bestest May 24, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Middleburn-

    I will answer your question about QB's BUT how come you don't answer any of my questions?? If Providence lost to Charlotte Catholic by 25 but only lost to Mallard Creek by 15 how is it possible with the Middleburn formula did Mallard creek beat Catholic by 45 points??

  • middleburnpage May 24, 2014
    Veteran

    http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/football-fall-13/offense,passing/north+carolina/stat-leaders.htm?classyear=all&position=all
    Brant Grisel has the 9th most passing yards in the state. As a junior. I'm pretty sure he will end up to a D1 school since the last 2 Middle creek have went to a D1 school.

  • middleburnpage May 24, 2014
    Veteran

    west- who is your top 5 or top 10 qb's in the state then?

  • jaybransome May 24, 2014
    Bench Warmer

    This would be a good idea btango. For a neutral site in the East, NCCU would be a great location. They have field turf and hold at least 10,000. That would make for a great game day atmosphere. A statewide playoff at the 4AA level would be a great idea.

  • btango May 24, 2014
    All Star

    Subdivided playoffs would still be in. As I wrote I know that is not going away. The coaches will not vote it out and the NCHSAA will not either unless the coaches/ADs push for it.

    The playoffs would be the same as they are now but after the first round 4AA (only) would go to a state wide bracket.

  • West maybe is bestest May 24, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Btango-

    I think its a great idea and I am all for any system getting the best two schools in 4a on the field in the title game. They could play in West Virginia is far as I am concerned but it would never fly past the Eastern coaches especially in Wake County. Playoff appearances and regional final appearances equal job security and the way the system is set up currently you can be average or slightly above and have a shot at a regional final. If you used your system and the Wake County teams would have to face some of the 4a teams in the Eastern part of the state they may not get out of the first round.

    New Bern, Rose, Scotland, Hillside now throw in Knightdale all beat the pants of the 4aa Wake teams most years. This year Wake would have had to gone through New Bern, Rose and Scotland most likely.

    Not gonna happen

  • btango May 24, 2014
    All Star

    The last several years I have often thought the 4AA playoffs could use a tweak that may make for a better title game. Lopsided title games and logistics (cost, potential crowds, school and holiday schedules) are reasons I have never supported the two sub class winners playing one another the next week. I do not like the subdivided playoffs but we know that is not going away. With that in mind I would like to see the 4AA change their playoff format slightly.

    Due to the schools being clustered in four areas with a few outlying schools that qualify this could possibly work. (I do not think it would be feasible at all for any other sub class.) The most western school would most likely be from western Meck County or Iredell County. Wilmington may be repped by a school or two at most in 4AA, Fayetteville, Raleigh, the Sandhills, the Triad, and Meck County.

    Week one use a "pod like" system if necessary but you would not play a team from your conference if at all possible. I prefer no pod or sub-regional and just do the two regionals separate 1-16. For me the playoffs are a reward for success and the opportunity to play a team out of your conference or area.

    Week two seed the state top to bottom 1-16 as half the teams were put out week one. Let them play through.

    The final can be played at the planned title site if the teams are east and west schools. If two teams from the same area play the title game can be played at a "stand-by" neutral site. Would probably need a turf field and at least 15,000 capacity. If two western schools make the final UNCC would work as would NC A&T although the field is grass (I think) and that may be an issue at that time of the year for the host.

    Doubtful that coaches and ADs from the east would go for this but I think it could lead to better football. Some western schools may not like it either. NCHSAA would not go for the title game stand-by site due to the sponsorship deals at the preset sites.

    Opinions/ideas?

  • nepsy7 May 24, 2014
    All Star

    kmagnusson

    Do you know what type grades/SAT/ACT the Kid Grisel has? If he has the grades, I would like to send some people his way.

  • btango May 24, 2014
    All Star

    When I watch a game I am thinking how would the teams match up with another team. The score of a game does not play in my mind as much as the scheme and match-ups.

    Dutch Fork beat Byrnes on the road (and that is a tough place to win at!) in the SC Big 4A semifinals. I thought Mallard Creek was better than both of those teams (and Rock Hill Northwestern who I also saw in person). Although DF beat Byrnes I definitely think Byrnes would match-up better than DF against Mallard Creek.

    After watching the 4A title game last year I thought that there were about eight to ten teams in Meck County that would have beaten or been a very competitive opponent with Wake Forest. WF may grind on some teams but their defense would have trouble stopping the opponent. A few teams may not stalemate with them in the trenches and the game would be low scoring.

    Wake Forest has been a quality program since the previous coach took over. Reggie Lucas has carried that on but doing what they do will not allow them to get over the hump against the teams they will see most years in the title game. It takes one school getting strong to force an evolution in the area. Getting crushed by a rival / neighboring team brings out pride and innovation. It can happen in Raleigh but being the best in the state and not just the area must be the priority.

  • West maybe is bestest May 24, 2014
    Sports Legend

    kmag-

    I don't doubt Burstons talent. I have watched tape on him before he was hurt. I also don't question his toughness or his impact on MiddleCreeks offense. They were a good team with a good passing attack. Not great

    Here is the issue with Middleburns statements. He keeps saying things like BEST in State. Here is a little stat.

    In the last 3 years Wake county has had 3 kids named to the AP all-state team. Marshall and Hines and WR from Wakefield. During that same time span 23 kids from Meck County have been on that list from 10 different schools. Mallard Creek and Butler alone have had 10 ( some twice)

    You cant make statements like " best in state" when clearly the football played and the players playing it in Wake County aren't considered some of the best in state by any measure.

    I am sure the Grisel kid is a good, tough HS QB. Probably very effective. But if he was one of the best QB's in the state of NC he would have dozen's of offers by now going into his senior year and I cant find a single one listed. He wasn't even the best QB in his conference last year.

    This isn't about discrediting teams. Its about discrediting statements made that aren't remotely factual.

  • kmagnusson May 24, 2014
    Sports Legend

    West
    Curtis Burston had a serious lower leg injury before the season started. Halfway through the season he had surgery. He came back at the end of the season and was a big boost to Middle Creeks passing attack. Due to surgery, a cast and then a walking boot, his injured leg was not the same strength as his healthy leg. Even during the playoffs you could clearly see the atrophy in the injured leg. Even though he wasn't 100 percent, he still was a dominating force. Everyone who posts on OT hates to see a kid get hurt and there is not alot of respect for people who post the "what ifs". However, I wonder what kind of season a healthy Curtis Burston would have had and the resulting positive impact for Middle Creek. Obviously we will never know, but I am happy to report I saw that he was the leading receiver in one of the ECU spring scrimmages logging 4 catches for 86 yards and a TD.

  • West maybe is bestest May 24, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Oh Middleburn- Where do I start

    - Your crazy point differential argument that everyone tells you is flawed comes up again. Let me prove my point. AGAIN.

    Providence loses to Mallard Creek by 15 points. Providence loses to Charlotte Catholic two weeks earlier by 25 points. So by your stupid formula Catholic is better than Mallard Creek right? Problem with the Middleburn formula is Mallard Creek beat Catholic 52-7. So I don't get it ?? How can the Middleburn formula be off so much.

    I have seen Middlecreek play twice on tape and have watched enough football to determine when I see a great passing attack. It aint. Good team- above average even in meck county. Far from great passing attack.

    Not sure about passing stats. I do know Butler averaged 43pts a game and played Mallard Creek twice. Middlecreek average 30 a game and never played a great defense. So I will take points over yards any day.

    Butler's QB and WR were all JR. Not eligible for shrine bowl

    Thought Burston is a underated talent. Grisel is not in the stratosphere of best QB in the state. Not close. That doesn't make him a bad player-

    I am not discrediting East teams. I am discrediting YOU. YOU continue to make statements like

    - Middlecreek had the best defense in the state'
    - Brant Grisel is one of the best QB's in the State
    - Middlecreek has a D1 QB ( Really?? Where is he going?) Scout, Rivals, Espn- I cant find his name even listed let alone in the top 150 but you think he is one of the best QB's in the state. Good certainly- Great?? Nope
    -

    Middlecreek had the best defense in the state( your opinion) and one of the best passing attacks in the state( you opinion)with a D1 QB ( your opinion) and a D1 receiver( agreed) and had the 4 or 5th best team in the EAst( your opinion) at home for a chance to go to the state championship and couldn't win?

  • middleburnpage May 24, 2014
    Veteran

    west- So if the 2nd seed blew every team in the play off by an average of 39 points then get blown in the regional by 42 points just as the same amount as wake forest the #12 seed from the east then how good do you really think the west is?

    And you think middle creek got 3000+ passing yards in the season just by bubble screens? Have you actually watch middle creek played? Educate yourself before you say something idiotic like that. Middle creek did not throw 400+ yards against wake-forest just by bubble screens. Middle creek had a d1 qb throwing to d1 receivers. Middle creek had one of the best receivers in the state and one of the best qb in the state. You are obviously ignorant and haven't sen team like green hope and wakefield which are also in the top 10 passing teams in the state. You just want to discredit every east team, but how many passing yard did butler had this year? Middle creek had one of the best passing offense including one of the best Recievers and qb. Tell me if butler qb threw for 3000 yards or had a receiver in the shrine bowl. You must have no knowledge of hs football when you said things like that. Bubble screen? yes middle creek throw bubble screen but how many time do you think they can throw a bubble screen to gain 3000+ yards in a season? you're really pathetic and need to stop trying to find ways to discredit east team.

  • West maybe is bestest May 24, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Average teams playing other average teams.

    - 2nd seed in the West won every game in the playoffs by a average of 39 points

    Top 10 passing teams in the state?? How many great passing teams did you see this year.

    Again- I think its a knowledge thing. You assume Mallard Creek was the number one seed and they weren't. You watch a team throw the ball a ton and you assume they were a top ten passing team. Bubble screen after bubble screen doesn't equal great passing game. Run that light weight stuff against teams with stud athletes in the back 7 in the West and it gets shut down in about 5 minutes.

    Educate yourself- Go get a tape of S. Durham or Davidson Day. You can buy DVD's of the championship games. Purchase the Butler- Britt game in 2012. Tennesee QB throwing to a Georgia WR and a Michigan WR in a real life passing offense with route progressions and hot reads and double moves, wheel routes. Watch Fergesun move a safety over and then come back and get his 3rd option for a TD.

    That's a passing offense. That bubble screen stuff get run in middle school football in Charlotte all the time. Its rudimentary but it qualifies for a great passing game in your world because frankly- you haven't seen enough HS football to know what one looks like.

  • middleburnpage May 24, 2014
    Veteran

    No they didn't choked since the last 2 teams left standing were from wake. Middle creek isn't far of from wake forest talent wise. It just their style of plays are different. Middle creek have one of the best passing team in the east if not the top 10 in the state and wake forest was probably the best running team in the east. And to win championship your going to need both passing and running. So when they played the game could have went either way. The top 8 teams in wake county can beat each other any given day. It's not like the west where the 2nd seed get blown out.

  • mjjohnson5573 May 24, 2014
    Sports Legend

    WF beat Panther Creek and Millbrook during the regular season so when they won again in the playoffs it wasn't a total shocker. There was no dominate team in the East last year. The seeding is not accurate, it's a formula based on a teams finish in their league and total record...it doesn't take into account that one league may be tougher than another or a teams overall strength of schedule. It's no different than saying WF is the second best team in 4AA because they were one of the last two standing. The top two teams could be in the same conference but, they'll never play as the last two.

  • hokiemtc May 24, 2014
    Veteran

    So let me get this straight...#5 seed Panther Creek, #4 seed Pinecrest, #9 seed Millbrook and #2 seed Middle Creek...so, none of these teams CHOKED last year by losing to #12 seed Wake Forest, who finished 3rd in their own conference?

    Still trying to figure out the mindset of Eastern football here.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
    Veteran

    ?

  • mjjohnson5573 May 23, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Agreed...if you have a better understanding of your competition you know how to set goals and prepare as a coach, individual and as a team.

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
    Sports Legend

    (Mallard Creek knew they were winning when they stepped off the bus, Wake was hoping it wouldn't be too ugly.)

    Thank you!

  • West maybe is bestest May 23, 2014
    Sports Legend

    In my mind there are two ways to change the dynamic-

    - Change the playoff system ( Not gonna happen)

    - Wake County teams expand their schedules to include nearby stiffer competition on a regular basis. ( Probably not going to happen)

    In all the back and forth on this sometime ludicrous thread the one thing I feel pretty confident in concluding is that a large portion of the problem exists in the scheduling. The elite teams in 4aa on the Western side meaning Mallard Creek, Richmond, Butler, Indy and Catholic are wired differently when it comes to competition. They will travel and they will compete at a high level year in and year out. Sure- In a single year you will have ups and downs in programs but if you have to travel to the Rock or Dillon or Tabor or have to go to nationally ranked NW Rock Hill or play Butler at Memorial Stadium.

    People laugh at a scrimmage against Scotland or Dudley but that is how you make a good team great by testing them. One or two teams in Wake county break out and play outside the 2 conferences and it would raise their level of confidence and make no mistake, they can talk the talk all they want but there hasn't been a Eastern 4aa team since probably Britt in 08 that truly thought thy could compete in the title game. That was a nervous team in the final last year and they played like it.

    Mallard Creek knew they were winning when they stepped off the bus, Wake was hoping it wouldn't be too ugly.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
    Veteran

    Nepsy- You just love to sit behind a computer ans start argument because you have no life right?

  • mjjohnson5573 May 23, 2014
    Sports Legend

    I don't disagree except, for the part about Adrian Peterson. If your injury comment is in reference to Love being hurt and that being the difference that WF lost the championship game, I agree with you. One guy wasn't going to change the outcome. MC was obviously a superior team to WF in many ways. It was the same way when WF played Butler. You could see the difference when they came out of the tunnel. It's not fun to watch as a HS football fan in general and especially hard when it's the team you follow. I really wish teams from this area would play more cross over games with the West at the beginning of the season but, others have to make that decision.

  • West maybe is bestest May 23, 2014
    Sports Legend

    mjjohnson-

    Smart people also don't make statements like this

    - Middlecreek had the best defense in the state

    - Middlecreek would stopped or slowed down mallard Creek

    - Wake Forest wasn't the best team in the East

    I have now watched 4 Wake County teams from last year. Wake, Middlecreek, Sandrson and parts on Garner.

    Florida State and App state didn't play last year but I watched them both play and feel like I can make a reasonable prediction of the outcome. I feel the same way after watching tape and live games of those Wake teams. Not a guess but a educated assumption.

    Injuries?? Hard to quantify that. Scotland lost a ton of talent and still made it to the title game. I believe Wake could have played with Adrian Peterson and it would have mattered little

  • mjjohnson5573 May 23, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Hey nepsy...this is "little man" again
    Dumb can be defined in many different ways...Smart people don't insult others to make their point about something....usually their credibility is diminished when they do and people begin to not take them seriously....if you know what I mean. I would guess most people over here have never seen any teams from the Charlotte area play, other than MC and Butler. The determination of who can beat who then is based on comparable scores which, doesn't mean jack. How many Wake county teams have you seen play in the past couple of years, or is your argument also based simply on how bad WF has lost in the two championship games. I think it's pretty simple to see that the top teams in the West play superior football when compared to the East. beyond that is anyone's guess until they start playing each other. This post just might go on until August.

  • nepsy7 May 23, 2014
    All Star

    middleburnpage!

    Maybe you should exchange numbers with kmagnusson and he can help you articulate your words before you press send. I believe someone out of the East already made that suggestion. I believe he said. I wish you didn't rant so much? If that's what you've been trying to say? You need to hire a translator. You're dumber than a Box of rocks!....lmao!

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
    Veteran

    Kmangnunson-Exatcly Thank you. That's excatly what I haven't been trying to say.
    Nepsy- And only a looser would let anyone talk trash about their team.

  • kmagnusson May 23, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Middleburn
    Good point. If your team is really irrelevant then nobody is going to bother to post anything about them or trash them. Only one team can win the Championship. There is no second and third best team trophy. No one can debate who is really the best team in the State. After that, it is a matter of opinion. Some teams matchup better than others. Last season Middle Creek could handle teams that were run oriented. When it came to playing Johnny Football and Wakefield, the matchup was not as favorable to MC. Last year, there were several good teams out West that I would prefer for Middle Creek to play before I would chose Wakefield. Sometimes as fans we have to be realistic about our teams chances of winning a Championship. If your favorite high school team wins the State Championship, your favorite College team wins the National Championship, and your favorite Pro team wins the Super Bowl.......you are probably a bandwagon fan. Your point about Mallard Creek destroying a very good and deserving Butler team is well taken. The second best team in the West got BLOWN OUT by Mallard Creek. The best team in the east got BLOWN OUT by Mallard Creek!!! Mallard Creek is the best team in the State. Who is 2nd 3rd etc..........well that is just matter of opinion!

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
    Veteran

    Tyler3- well i'm sorry for that comment. But I expect New bern too win again sometime soon. Anyway I had mistaken them for a west team but I will pull for any east team, especially the ones that have talents to win a state game against the west.

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
    Sports Legend

    In all fairness you say you responded because of my remark about Wake but the fact is you made your comment about NB well before I said what I said. Saying we will never win because we are concentrating on our past seemed a little ignorant. We expect to win each and every year, we're never content and never will be as we want to fill up the ole trophy case to the top.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
    Veteran

    Nepsy- Butler would have face the same beating as Wake forest team if they were put in the eastern bracket. They probably wouldn't have made it to state if they had been in the eastern bracket. I also proved teams like Knightdale, Wakeforest and other teams, give the same competition or better the some west team. I proved that richmond could have gotten beat by wake teams so could've other west teams that have won state championship in the past. Like I said wake county is not weak. and If they are then so is 98% of the west this year.

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