Will Wake Forest Be Able To Compete For Another Championship Run?

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  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Well I think New Bern have one of the best program in the sate. But I will not sit here and watch people make degrading comments about wake teams like the whole county is trash. Yea wake can't win any championship, but so couldn't 95% of the teams in NC in the past 10 years. Wake county isn't weak, I don't see anyone talking about Cumberland county.

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
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    Sorry, the bowl of Lucky Charms may of had a impact with that statement.

  • nepsy7 May 23, 2014
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    You have never proved anything. The same Knightdale that lost to 6-6 Heritage. How impressive. kmagnusson! If you would chose him on your team? That would make you a loser also. You probably believe Middle Creek was winning also? I hope and prey that a Team out of Wake County actually shows up to play. Who ever heard of playing 3&4 deep and jv players during a State Championship game? Only against a Team out of Wake County!

  • kmagnusson May 23, 2014
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    Tyler
    " Asking me self ???" Are you Irish?

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
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    I was just mocking what the other guy said, I don't follow Wake County, no need to as we have plenty of teams around Craven winning big every year.

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
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    LOL. Was this in 2009? I remember asking meself DANG that is a good team then searching for championship banners at the school, didn't find any.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    I never said New Bern was trash, But make comments like weak county when new bern couldn't beat wake teams, then I'll say they're trash. Disrespect Wake county teams and New bern will get disrespected. Regardless of how great they have been in the past year.

  • kmagnusson May 23, 2014
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    Tyler
    I see you are still upset by the spanking that Middle Creek gave New Bern. I was at that game and something interesting occurred after the game. I was approached by several New Bern fans and they congratulated me on Middle Creeks blowout victory and they said that "Middle Creek is the greatest high school football team that they had ever seen"!!!!!! Since you weren't there to witness this Tyler, you'll just have to take my word for it. :)

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
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    LOL. Even New Bern has down years when we're not competing in the East Finals like we did in 2010, 2011 and 2012, lol. Dude acts like we're garbage every year. Again, never mentioned Garner or Knightdale, read my man. Middle Creek beat NB???? We talking about 2009 up here? BUAHAHAHAHA

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Tyler- Their down year I don't care, stop finding an excuse to why they didn;'t beat hillside. A game is a game. And if hillside was weak county then the should have destroy weak county. They even had trouble against southeast. Who can't put up 4 touchdowns against south east? New bern can't but garner and wake field did. Weak? New Bern is weak when you let a team like south east tie with you in the 3rd quarter. ahha who in the hell ties with south east in the 3rd quarter? You guys tied with the weakest of the weak in the 3rd quarter lol. Congrats on thinking you could have beaten knightdale and garner. And didn't middle creek beat new bern? oh yea right, what did we win? we won against the almighty new bern lol. WEAAAKKK.

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
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    I CAN'T READ WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TYPE BETTER ENGLISH. Who is making excuses? Losing 34 seniors off of 2012 team was the reason why 2013 lost 4 games, lol. We're not a West team, we're a East team. Let's talk about the present, we've got Mike coming back, and all we lost was Purdie and the WR's. I didn't mention anything about Garner and Knightdale, read my post.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Tyler3- I never said New bern have given up, BUT PLEASE STOP BRINGING THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP AS AN EXCUSET WHY COULDN'T THEY BEAT THE TOP WAKE TEAMS. GOING UNDEFEATED LAST YEAR DIDN'T HELP THEM WIN THIS YEAR. I actually liked newbern than any other west(EAST) team. But when people make comments liked weak county and say new bern could've have beaten the top wake team this year. Really? In what world. Congrats to them for winning the state last year but I don't care about that. Let's talk about the present and how the top 5 teams would have beaten new bern this year. Stop saying new bern can beat teams like garner and knightdale just because of the past.

    Kmagnusson- lol thanks for the support.

    Nepsy- Wakeforest was the best in the east but finish 3rd in their conference? yea that's the best alright.You don't understand what it means when teams go on a good run. and choke? I didn't see any wake team choke this year in the play offs.

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
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    lol middle- NB had a down year to their standards losing 4 games the year after a undefeated season and losing 34 Seniors. But feel free to go off one year, if it makes you feel better. I noticed you said defense wins championships and MC had the best D, in your opinion so which title did MC win? Who is really weak? Weak County, duh.

  • 2016 May 23, 2014
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    Tyler3-

    LOL

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    hokiemtc- hilsside beat new bern this year. And a wake team beat hillside. New bern couldn't even put up past 2 tds against a team like southeast which got blown out by garner and wakefield. Richmond got blown out by scotland team. But knightdale gave a way better competition than richmond.

    nepsy7- There's no point in playing richmond when there's team like garner and knightdale close by that would give a better competion. It's not worth the trip to go down and beat them when you have way better competition clos eto you. A lot of wake county teams have big fan base, maybe not like richmond but I don't see your point in playing a team that's not that great just because they have a huge fan base or they won a state champion in the pass. And I'm not trashing RC. It was stated that Rc could beat the top team in wake county this year which I proved wrong being that they got blown out by scotland and knightdale lost in a dog fight. And you seem to consider wake team trash so what does that make RC, a team that's not better than a wake team? You keep saying weak county, when we obviously give better competition to Scotland than Rc. Now who's really weak?

  • kmagnusson May 23, 2014
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    Middleburn
    Don't quit now........your winning!!!! I would chose you for my team anytime! You refuse to give up. As the great Jimmy V once said "Never give up....never give up....never ever give up!!!

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
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    Middle- New Bern isn't looking towards the future? LOL. Yes we lost in OT in week 1 last year to Hillside, you got me! Please tell our coach that he is living in the past, please. So we lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs the year after going undefeated so all of a sudden we have given up? Not sure what your beef is with NB but we own Wake County teams and have 2 titles in 7 years while sending guys into college every year and into the pros. Stop while you're way behind.

  • nepsy7 May 23, 2014
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    It actually does make them the best team out of the East! MC played the best team out of the East. My argument playing a team like Richmond. They have one the largest fan base in the state. Along with legacy of being winners. One of the most hostile environments to play High School Football. Now they were down this year, but they still would have beat the majority of teams in the State. Now you can stick your chest out and talk about how they could not beat the top 5 teams in wake county. You guys have a history of choking in big games outside your conference. When you start thrashing teams like Richmond County and how Teams out of Wake county would beat them. You really don't know a lot about NC Football. Which you consistently show on every post. Richmond has a opening for 2015-16 play them and prove everyone in NC wrong.

  • btango May 23, 2014
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    I have noticed Richmond getting knocked some and I agree they have been down the last few years but never underestimate them. When they lost their starting senior quarterback last year they ended up starting a freshman. Their offensive scheme depends on very strong quarterback play in their option spread style. A lot of reads with the QB making the decisions on exchange, keep, or pass. The offense was firing on all cylinders early last season but with the QB out and the defensive issues they faltered. They do not have the depth or overall athletes of the great Richmond teams.

    Going to Richmond for an early season game is tough. They are very well coached and come out prepared. Crowds are normally big and energetic for a new opponent that may give them a fight.

  • hokiemtc May 23, 2014
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    Proved me wrong? I must have missed that post...which team was it from Wake Co that beat New Bern last year?

    The last game I can find where New Bern lost to a team from Wake Co was back in 2009 (Middle Creek, strangely enough...congrats on that one). 2009 was 5 seasons ago, BTW, but at least Middle Creek has beaten a 4AA champ, unlike Wake Forest. Credit due where credit is warranted, and I amend an earlier post of mine where I didn't give you guys credit for a win like that. And, no, it doesn't really matter that New Bern went 5-6 that year. A win over a past champ still counts as a win over a past champ either way.

  • btango May 23, 2014
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    Being seeded 12th in the region does not mean that you are considered the 12th best team out of the 16. Seeding is implemented by conference finish and overall record.

    There have been conference champions get the top seed from their conference thereby being seeded higher than teams with much better records. Britt won their conference with an 8-3 record identical to WF but received a three seed due to their conference finish. Richmond blew Britt out but was an 11th seed in the west due to their third place conference finish. Pinecrest was 10-1 and due to finishing second in their conference was a fourth seed. Indy was the 12th seed in the west.

  • Tyler12 May 23, 2014
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    This thread is really making me miss my exchanges with the Scotland County peeps. Hurry up August!

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    You are the one that find excuse to why butler didn't do better than our 12th seed. why don't you find another excuse on that one?

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Nespy an excuse on what? Ofcourse wake forest earned the right. I never give an excused on anything. MY argument was RC would not beat the top 5 teams in wake county. I think you just find irrelevant things just to start up arguments. I've already said before wakeforest earned the right to go to state. But that doesn't make them the best team in the east. Any east team could've made it to state. Wake just was the one that did it. But mallard creek didn't play against the best east team.

  • nepsy7 May 23, 2014
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    middleburnpage!

    You continue to rack up, on excuses! Seven Starters were out! bad call on a touch down called back. The 12th seed team went to the State, because they were the best team out of the East! This is how it works. See there's these games they call the playoffs. They split it up into regions. In NC4AA it's the East vs West. They have the playoffs to determine who is the best team out of there region. It would be unfair to just pick a team. Since some better teams, go ghost during the playoffs. Some teams can win there conference, but they nutt up when it comes to the playoffs. That might explain why the Heimlich was being given to 1seed(Wakefield) and 2seed(Middle Creek) during there playoff run. THEY CHOKED! Now I'm sure you have another name for it? Wake Forest earned the right to be called the best out of the East. That's why we play the game.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    dfmlythr- Oh I didn't know mallard creek had the 5th best running back in the nation? they have 2 of those?

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    hokiemtc- You clearly stated that Newbern would've beaten any team in wake county. I proved you wrong? where's my money? In the real world people don't live in the past. They live in the future. Until newbern decide to live in the future and stop relying on their past championship they will not win another. you don't win championship by having rings. You win by beating the team ahead of you. Newbern could have 9 rings and Hillside still bat them this year and knightdale would have done the same. now tell me where i'm wrong about what I just said.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    In reality since both school have been built only 5 teams won state. In reality they would have beaten RC this year. In reality 95% of the team in 4aa in nc haven't gotten close to win a state championship since those 2 shcool were built. In reality MC and wfr has one of the best programs, not the best. I would put them in top 10. In reality winning a state champ isn't the only way a team can be good.

  • hokiemtc May 23, 2014
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    There you go...New Bern has now also been disrespected by a Middle Creek fan. It's now a clean sweep.

    A word of advice...again, just trying to help the Raleigh fans realize where the problems lie so that they can be addressed...but when you honestly believe in your heart that Indy, New Bern, Richmond, Page and Butler were all nothing special last season and that none of these programs were any better than the mighty teams from Wake Co, then you will continue to get crushed by these types of championship programs whenever your teams run into them. They are all champions for a reason, and not coincidentally, no one from Wake Co is a champion going back decades...also for a reason. It's all in the mindset.

    To be the best, you have to play (and beat) the best. Period. And that's on the field, not in your dreams. It sounds to me like Wake Forest went 5-0 against these champions in fantasy land football last season. Congrats to them. I guess.

    However, back here in the real world, if you don't recognize and respect champions, then you won't ever ascend to their level, because you're not capable of appreciating all of the effort, hardships and hurdles that had to be cleared for them to ever reach that zenith to begin with. Tom Knotts built Indy the way he did specifically to beat Richmond (he said this many times). Newsome built Butler the way he did specifically to beat Indy (again, stated many times). Palmieri built Mallard Creek the way he did to specifically beat Butler. There was a plan put in place by all of these guys to be the best in the state, and each program attained its goal through years of successes and failures, but also with unerring, dogged determination and a single focus.

    Wake Forest, however, looks to me like it was built specifically to only beat Wake Co, and therein lies the root of the problem. I say that about WF because anyone who shows up a state championship game at the 4AA level running the Wing-T is bringing a knife to a gun fight.

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    Ok Middle Creek and WFR has the best program in the east. Ill go with that in your world. Reality = MC and WFR never won a 4AA championship ever not even close right?

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Yea one more touchdown than butler lol.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    In nost people eyes Middle creek did beat them. They got a touchdown called back witch turned out to be a bad call by the ref. And oh yea about 7 starters were out? The whole running back crew was out. The stats was like 500 passing yard and 20 yards. Also how do you have the 12th seed go to state? they probably played better than most team?

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    Mallard Creek had two kids just as fast but the are six foot 180 pounds. Yes WFR would have scored one more TD but they lost by 7 or 8 td's

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    "(the top 4 Wake county school just got built in the past 15 years.)

    You made my point with that statement!" Yea and your point is? the best team in the state was built 7 years ago, I don't understand your "point".

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    ok ok ok Middle Creek is the best! Why can't you all beat WFR and make it to the championship game?

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Wake county had Bryce love injured. You must not know who bryce love is. He could be arguably one of the fastest kid in the state. Go look him up. He would have given wakeforest a little more chance. When you have your star player out against a team like mallard creek you will not stand a chance.

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    (the top 4 Wake county school just got built in the past 15 years.)

    You made my point with that statement!

  • btango May 23, 2014
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    In the Butler semi final game the starting running back for MC was still pounding the ball late in the fourth. Butler had the ability to put up points in bunches if they got in the groove which they never hit in the second MC game.

    In the title game I noticed a lot more players getting into the game at earlier stages and especially late. MC rolls a lot of players on the defensive front but once they got up very big it was apparent that a lot of the players would see PT. Much like the Butler title game the previous season.

    I actually thought Wake Forest showed some promise but to be competitive at that level you have to mix it up on the offensive side.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Yea and garner have the best Football program in Wake county, and ask them how did it help them when middle creek beat thme in the semi-finals. I know the answer. It didn't. Tradition and championships are irrelevant when you go head to head with a team. It can't help you win a game, so why bring it up? And let me remind oyu garner is older than the top 4 team in wake county programs combine.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    "RC has produced more pro football players than WC's top 5 programs combined!" how many exactly? and the top 4 Wake county schools just got built in the past 15 years. And IG that news is relevant because those pro players are coming back to help them win next year? It's irrelevant. Your argument is irrelevant to the opinion why RC can beat the top 5 teams in the state.

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    (garner do not stand a chance against RC?)

    Never said that! But Garner has the best football program in WC.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Knightdale,Wakefield and mill brook. no wake forest is not in the top 5. Real football fans knows you don't need to win a state championship to win a game. Tell me how all those championship helped RC this year. Please tell me why other than the championship theory why garner do not stand a chance against RC? RC lost 49-14 to scotland, and knightdale lost 24-17. I don't see being able to beat RC. Do you?

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    RC has produced more pro football players than WC's top 5 programs combined!

  • nepsy7 May 23, 2014
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    OMG! middleburnpage! COMPETIITION RIGHT HERE IN WAKE COUNTY! LMAO! OK I understand. Enloe, Heritage, Smithfield Selma....I'm sure the games went down to the wire? There are 2 football forums in two different regions in the State, that have threads on how horrible you guys are?(WAKE COUNTY) You put Richmond on your schedule because all though they are down, they are a football program. They have won more State Championships than all the Raleigh's teams put together. WOW! I just realized that! Amazing! They will be back to Championships Status. Middle Creek,Knightdale,Wake Forest...etc Will not be back. since they have never won. ANYTHING!

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    No one remembers the runner up. Win the big game to obtain the respect you want WC....

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    REAL football fans with common sense know the deal when it comes to RC football program! Garner High was the last team to win the championship from WC so until WC wins the championship I will disregard this statement
    (But I will go on a limb and said Richmond would have lost against the top 5 teams in wake county.) because it is not valid period!

    Question: Who are the top 5 teams in WC Garner, WFR, Middle Creek and who else?

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Middle Creek was a better team than wakeforest in my mind. Just too much injuries. Unlike wake forest they can pass the ball efficiently and run also. They also have a really good defense. In other for them to be a better program than wake forest they would need to win a state championship or beat them repeatedly. Sometime even the best programs get beat. So every year teams need to stop worrying about the past and focus on the present. Richmond being the top 5 program in the sate didn't help them this year. not one bit. Maybe it might next year since good players want to play for good programs. But let not bring top programs in this conversation. Because page wasn't the top program until it won a state, and it haven't won since. But are somehow better than every team in wake this year because of their previous accomplishment which I found extremely irrelevant.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    Are you seriously telling me RC was in the top 5 teams this year? Really? I hope you mean history wise. But I will go on a limb and said Richmond would have lost against the top 5 teams in wake county. And I wouldn't be surprise if they beat wake forest. After all wake forest did finished 3rd in their own conference this year.

  • dfmlythr May 23, 2014
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    Middle Creek is a top 10 program in NC. What will it take to get over WFR? Yall meet them every year, the game is always close.

  • middleburnpage May 23, 2014
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    dfmlythr-I pulled for Middle Creek. But I will pull for any team as long as it's not against middle creek.

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