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  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 12, 2013
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    ^Good to know, jamtess. It's hard to measure a kid's heart. Good luck to the kid you're referring to.

  • jamtess333 Feb 12, 2013
    Towel Boy

    Well said Battling Bishop 5. I know a local kid who was told as a freshman in HS that he would never play D1. The kid was not recuited because of size and average stats. He walked on at a D1 program three years ago and last year played in 7 games and started 2, one against the National Champs. So much for the experts..For kids having that dream, it's all about will,determination,hard work and finding the right program. BTW, the kid is still a walk-on....

  • Patriot50 Feb 11, 2013
    Veteran

    Garner's had 3 signings thus far, with a couple of more likely to come. OL Galovatti to Western Carolina, QB Jefferies to Shaw, and TE Gilman to Bridgewater.

  • lbeck37439 Feb 11, 2013
    Sports Legend

    as of right now no

  • flairrick Feb 11, 2013
    Pro

    lbeck, did the center from Garner sign anywhere?

  • lbeck37439 Feb 11, 2013
    Sports Legend

    There needs to be a list of all the kids that gets to go and play at the next level not just the D1 level. Might see that there are more kids getting to play at the next level than some would think.

  • oldtimecoach Feb 11, 2013
    Sports Legend

    The amount of coverage Tim Stevens or Nick Stevens gives anyone has absolutly zero to do with the player getting a scholarship. Believe it or not, college coaches around the country are NOT searching the web for news articles (or stats for that matter). That's not the way recruiting is done.

  • schiess Feb 10, 2013
    All Star

    It's all good patriot50 ,it's just a frustration that hits me from time to time.good responses .

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 10, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Agreed 100%, Patriot50. Good point about fitting a certain prototype. That's the reality of sports but it's not the end of the world. A kid who has a desire to keep playing just needs to keep looking - find the right situation for them whether it's D-1, D-2, or D-3. Same stuff applies with pro ball in terms of prototype.

    At the end of the day, it's one person's opinion & kids should never let that hold 'em back. They'll find out as they go through life that "the experts" aren't always experts at making calls. They should keep playing, chasing their dreams, & see what happens.

  • Patriot50 Feb 10, 2013
    Veteran

    Scheiss, you're welcome, glad I can help. And you can call me bro - been called a lot worse. We're just seeing this from different perspectives. For those that place value on public/media recognition - and there are some positives with that - then I understand the frustration in what is hit or miss coverage for some, and probably over-coverage with others. Bishop, I agree with you - good players who don't get D1 offers is usually a result of them not fitting the modern prototype of what scouts/coaches are looking for, not a lack of media exposure. 6'5" 225 QB, 6'2" 230 LB, 5'11" 200 4.4 RB, 6'6" 300 OL, etc, etc - you can be an amazing, all-state calliber HS player, but if you don't fit these specs, you likely won't get a D1 look. It's not that they don't know who you are. They know who your are, they just don't want you (unless you'll come for free as a "preferred" walkon). Fair or not, this is the way it works.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 10, 2013
    Sports Legend

    @ Schiess

    Good points. You can be a good player at a smaller school but if those who make the decisions aren't interested, what can ya do? If I had a son playing & he was a good player, I would handle things myself in terms of getting his name out there versus waiting on others.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Feb 10, 2013
    Sports Legend

    @lbeck

    Receiving a little ink/pub is a good thing but it goes beyond that. Proactive coaches and parents are a necessity if a kid is going to further his or her career. There are many ways kids can get recognized today but parents and coaches have to take a sincere interest in a player's career.

    With that said, I don't care to see kids announcing their decisions to the world. Who cares? Some of these kids think they're Jesus with a football or basketball. No....I don't care to see a kid walk into an arena, pull out a bag & retrieve a hat just to let the world know he made his decision. Just announce the signing & move on to the next player. Never did buy into the hype of it all.

    Regarding the whole D-1, D-2, D-3 debate (sports in general), I've seen lots of players play down who had the capability to play D-1. I played for a D-1 program & a D-3 program. The D-3 was actually the better program of the two. A lower enrollment doesn't necessarily mean inferior talent. Different players have different circumstances to deal with. Could be a lack of recognition, grades, etc. Also, when you think about it, given the number of kids playing all over the country versus the number of positions available, it's just not possible for all good players to play on a D-1 team. You have to find the right fit for you.



  • schiess Feb 10, 2013
    All Star

    Patriot 50 ,that is not the point iam trying to nail down .iam a blue collar 30 plus yr brick mason bro , or can I say bro ? My beef is not so much about the recognition but about these so called stinking professionals who represent our local media ,these MEN need to get with the real program .i have stated numerous of times about these MEN if they need help with coverage to reach out ,there are many hands out here PERIOD! I have been saying this for quite some time but these MEN do not have the "time ,and thanks for your response " pathetic reply.you know what ,I put my on the line on this blog not for myself but for the young men who put their heart and hard work on the field starting in the early summer through November and not to be noticed? .when a young man in any 1a thru 4a is tearing it up in these MEN'S proverbial backyard then they need to put aside their bias and chime in and quit saying " we have too much to cover".this is not some shoot from the hip reply but a continuos frustrating topic .patriot thanks for your reponse ,it has fired me up in the middle of winter.

  • Patriot50 Feb 9, 2013
    Veteran

    You're right, it is a big deal. But it's not about the ink. And eventually, if these kids work hard, they'll earn a paycheck on Fridays, too. That's all the "ink" they need.

  • lbeck37439 Feb 9, 2013
    Sports Legend

    We do work hard, but on fridays you get a pay check for your hard work, most of these kids work hard, just like the ones who gets that D1 scholarship, so why cant they get alittle ink too.

    just over 1.1 million kids play high school football every yea,r so yes its a big deal if one gets to play at the next level.

  • Patriot50 Feb 9, 2013
    Veteran

    With all due respect, disagree entirely. That's the core problem with high school athletics today - it's become all about "the ink". Much of the time in life, we work hard every day, excel, and maybe even show true greatness - all without any recognition, or "ink", as you call it. God forbid these days that any athlete who gets a scholarship not make the news or hold a press conference - give me a break. Play the game, win or lose, and go home. If the media comes calling, great. If not, welcome to the real world.

  • lbeck37439 Feb 9, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I understand schiess,I think every kid that goes and plays at the next level needs some ink,cause its a big thing to go and play at the next level not just D1.

  • schiess Feb 9, 2013
    All Star

    Ibeck and bustem,thank you ,I cannot stand D1 on the brain disease.since I have been chiming in on this blog with my worthless two cents for a short few years .i must repeat myself on some topics of some frustration .first ,any collgiate level is a blessing ,education after high school is a positive for the most part.the next one is lack of coverage from our local media outlets on the lower ranking highschool divisions from 1a thru 3a.these young men deserve more coverage.if these media outlets can't handle the overwhelming load of this coverage then reach out for help and check their egos at the door .there are a lot of passionate people out there on this blog who i am sure would love to lend a helping hand.i say this from first hand experience from being a coach at a smaller school .these media people should be ashamed knowing that these young men play right in their own proverbial backyards.trust me ,I have reached out to these MEN and have gotten the response like " oh thanks for your e mail " what are you kidding me .i will check out now men so I don't say what I really mean .

  • lbeck37439 Feb 9, 2013
    Sports Legend

    just cause you can play alittle in high school dont mean you can play at the next level (D 1).Sometimes smaller is better. But if you dont have the grades you might be out of luck.

  • cantbustem Feb 9, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Nice post. Could not agree more!

  • Patriot50 Feb 9, 2013
    Veteran

    Exposure in Wake County is not a problem. In rural areas with small little 1-A schools tucked away in the woods, I can see that. With multiple major college and even smaller college programs in our immediate area, Wake County kids don't have to worry about somebody "not finding" them. That's a hard truth for our athletes (and more likely their parents) to swallow, which is why everbody has a "combine" or a website or a personal trainer now. If you can play, they will find you. Period.

  • lazydawg58 Feb 8, 2013
    All Star

    Well 14 of ECU's recruits are from North Carolina, including one from Raleigh, one from Durham, one from Clayton, one from New Bern, one from Winston-Salem, two from Havlick and three from Wilmington. I'd say Ruffin McNeill and his staff are out there beating the bushes for talent all over the state, including Wake County.

  • schiess Feb 8, 2013
    All Star

    There's a ton of talent and these kids could get more exposure from the local press I.e. news an observer,wral,and so on.our school has had some all state players the past few years who were invited to the oasis bowl but I have to tell you that I passed these players along to the Tim Stevens and the nick Stevens during these players careers and they did jack squat .those two guys have been a disappointing outlet for these players exposure especially when they play in your proverbial backyard.i didn't mean to get off topc but after reading nicks blog from a couple a days ago about how there seems to be a problem with in state players not getting noticed,I respect nick and Tim however give me a break there are a ton of great players in this area let alone the entire state.nick and Tim I understand you guys have to cover a lot of area but reach out for some help because there are plenty of hands out there.

  • hsfootballraleigh Feb 8, 2013
    All Star

    Theres alot of d-1 and d-2 talent in the triangle.

  • getsome Feb 8, 2013
    Pro

    I have been on the front row and have seen and heard how D1 coaches recruit kids. I have heard incredible players say, "i want to be on tv" or "When I get to the NFL" and the D1 coaches tell them..."the only route is D1." What I have tried to explain to them is a 4 year degree is a 4 year degree. No matter where it is from. D3 or UCLA. It does not matter. NOBODY can take that degree from them.If they get to play football after high school AND get an education then they should consider themselves lucky and blessed no matter the school or level of play.

  • just brian Feb 7, 2013
    All Star

    It seems to me that if an athlete is able to trade his talent for an education, I don't think it matters which school he/she attends.

    Congratulations to all of the athletes who signed LOI yesterday.

  • Orange County Feb 7, 2013
    All Star

    soryy about the post error, i meant to say that schools, coaches, and recruits dont think that the talent level in wake county and surrounding areas is as good as we in NC think it is, I agree with the exposure and alot of great quality athletes with the intangibles that it takes to build a succedful program get looked over.

  • schiess Feb 7, 2013
    All Star

    Oldtime don't forget that if these young men don't get to the D1 level then their entire highschool career was a joke .as a coach I cannot stand this D1 or you are a failure mentality .i agree with your post.

  • fbbuddah Feb 7, 2013
    Towel Boy

    The D2 South Alantic Conference which includes Catawba, Wingate, Lenoir-Rhyne, Mars Hill, Wingate, Carson-Newman, Brevard and Tusculum and previous members Elon and Gardner-Webb (both now D1) have recurited this area for years. Because there is no tv time and no bowl money many think they don't have real athletics. But, if one studied NBA, NFL and MLB rosters they would find that every year more athletes from these schools are making there. Talent will be found no matter where it is at, the problem is will their ego allow them to go there?

  • mchsmustangs Feb 7, 2013
    Rookie

    The paper has made a big deal about the big 4 keeping top 10 recruits in state. meanwhile at the d2 and d3 level, we spoke with a lot of coaches this year who are actually recruiting Wake County for the first time. Ferrum and Mars Hill recruited my son heavily. We had two players sign with Tusculum yesterday. A friend of ours from garner signed with Bridewater. None of these are the usual suspects. The Ferrum Coach actually told us straight up that Wake County had gained his attention.

  • oldtimecoach Feb 7, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I guess their not being good is why they eventually earn scholarships. That has to be one of the most useless posts ever on this forum---and that says quite a lot.

  • Orange County Feb 7, 2013
    All Star

    read a article in the news and observer about players from the area not being recruited and coaches wondering why, maybe its because they are not as good as some people think.

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