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  • waggle right Feb 3, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Will do oldtimecoach.

  • oldtimecoach Feb 3, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Look, sometimes folks get a little carried away with hyperbole, or defending one point of view or the other. Obviously, pee wee football has value. No, it's not the end all and be all of a successful high school program. Yes, not many schools in this area have "meet the coach" nights...but they do in many areas. With this being the first hire of a head coach at Clayton in quite some time and being someone from outside, I'm sure the leadership in the school thought it a good idea. Other schools in the area have gone the "press conference" route--HC for example--and that, too, drew criticism from detractors. Sure, there might have been some element of damage control as well since some of you were in such an uproar. The guy can coach, give him a chance.

  • schiess Feb 2, 2013
    All Star

    Wags and oldtime I have flawed opinions also,but I have your backs and 140 go ahead an bash the copperheads while your at it.

  • flairrick Feb 2, 2013
    Pro

    Old time, don't confuse him with facts.

    And waggle, if your kid is not old enough for middle or HS how do you know youth football is the key?

  • oldtimecoach Feb 2, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Waggle, it wasn't what you insinuated, it was exactly what you said, and I quote " If you ask anyone of those kids that are seniors today what was the biggest help to them during their career they will tell you it was the youth programs." Now maybe that's not what you meant, but it is exactly what you said.

  • waggle right Feb 2, 2013
    Sports Legend

    We are on it Nature Boy! Wooooooooo!!!!! As the Nature Boy would say "Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because its the best thing going!!!" LOL Sorry to steal that one from you. Well not really!!

  • flairrick Feb 2, 2013
    Pro

    Waggle, ignoring the point once again I see.

    And I have the right to point out how flawed your opinion is.

    but please, keep on posting your opinion and others as fact so the logical folks on here can be amused.

    And you and cantbustem enjoy your lunches with the ones in the know at Jones's this week and please don't forget to report back.

  • waggle right Feb 2, 2013
    Sports Legend

    You are awesome nature boy. What I do may surprise you. So keep thinking what you want. What I say about Clayton is not all negative. I have a right to criticize who I want. Kinda like when Dusty Rhodes whip your tail and you got pinned on quadruple souflex off the top rope because you were over weight! LOL!! So go on thinking what you want and defending your buddy and bashing youth sports, and whatever elese you do. I find it amusing to get you all up in arms. Your really pretty easy to say the least.

  • flairrick Feb 2, 2013
    Pro

    So you go to every Garner home game and every Clayton home game huh? Man, for someone who doesn't have kids in HS you sure do attend a lot of HS events.

    Ever consider the make up of the stadiums and the number of folks at Clayton that are spread out around the field?

    Plus, the students all hang out in that big area near the concession stand.

    But I know, I know, you have all the answers and most of them are negative towards Clayton.

  • waggle right Feb 2, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Oh, and by the way I was at New Hanover this year. The point of response was that the Clayton fans are not like the Garner Fans. Garner fills their home everytime they are there. Clayton does not. Its a hit and miss crowd. That was a comparison statement that I made.

  • waggle right Feb 2, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Ummmmmm, sure nature boy. LOL

  • flairrick Feb 1, 2013
    Pro

    Waggle, you must not have been in the stands this year or traveled to the away games or to New Hanover.

    I pray to God that you move to Cleveland. Clayton does not need negative Nancy's like you.

  • waggle right Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    @lbbeck, I dont doubt that. But the comment that was made form someone else was basically that the youth programs do not contribute to a football players success learning anything. My argument is that is not correct and I stand by it.

    @patriot, Garner has long standing traditon that you can see in the stands on Friday night home games. Clayton does not have that, even when the team is winning. It has been that way for a long time. Also, I do not feel that the Garner community would have been happy if an outsider was brought in to coach the program. The school and community stood behind and supported the hiring of Thurman Leach. I will say that he is a great hire for the school.

  • Patriot50 Feb 1, 2013
    Veteran

    Glad to see the Clayton community so united behind their program. Meanwhile, 9 miles west the boys in blue and gold are quietly getting to work, preparing to win another championship. And they're doing it with the added juice of having an entire community and school behind them. And people can't figure out why they do it year after year. Love it!

  • lbeck37439 Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    most of the time if you see a high school program doing good, youre find out that the middle schools that feed into that high school are having good years too.

  • waggle right Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Ok Nature Boy. Whatever you say. Glad your son was asked to play for the Civitan turkey bowl team.

  • flairrick Feb 1, 2013
    Pro

    Waggle, I love how your opinion is correct and mine is wrong.
    News flash, one of mine was asked to play in the Turkey bowl due to performance.
    And I am not bashing youth programs, I am just stating my opinion that it isn't all that and a bag of chips

    Next, you can believe what you want about myself and the new coach, but I have never met the man. I just don't like the way some on here post about things they do not know about.

    It is a shame you don't have a pair and just say what you really want to say instead of pretending to ask questions.

    And again, where do you get this information that the community is split? And secondly, who cares what you or I or any of the Jones bunch cares. All the returning players or should I say most were there last night and they were impressed.

    And once again, if your kid is 65lbs, he is either really small or quite a few years away from playing so why are you so concerned?

    If you want a community who loves their coach, send your kids to Cleveland.

  • waggle right Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    @schiess. I think that is someone that is really close to coach "Pink" no matter what he/she says. I also feel that is someone who felt that he or his children/child was treated unfairly by a youth program somewhere at sometime and just cant get over it.

    @oldtime coach. It was never insinuated that the biggest help to a players career was not at the high school level. It was stated that at the youth program level is where the basics of the game are formed which would include the techniques and skill sets.

  • waggle right Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    @randy, It really does not matter what I do for a living or if I coach. ALthough I am glad that I amaze you from time to time. The point of the topic was "has anyone ever heard of a meet or greet the coach night". It was a simple question. It was also asked if anyone felt that this was damage control for the principal who basically has this community split over the hire of the new coach. It too was a simple question. The nature boy, as he has numerous times, felt that he needed to come to he "buddies" defense even though there were nothing bad said about him. It then turned into a bash the youth programs and has went from there. I will tell you that youth programs are the begining stages of setting up an athlete for success in any sport. It does not start in Middle School. Again when you talk to most athletes they give credit to their youth coach and their high school coach. You disagree if you want and to be honest I really dont care. The nature boy, old time coach, and randy and I will all continue to disagree with each other as we have in the past.

  • schiess Feb 1, 2013
    All Star

    Wags ,who is this 140 clown?

  • oldtimecoach Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I would hate to think the biggest help to a high school football player's career was playing youth football. I would certainly hope that coaching at the high school level would play a bigger role.

  • flairrick Feb 1, 2013
    Pro

    Ramses, thank you. But you will have a hard time with the perfect people on here accepting your request.

    They believe the important people in the community never forgive and forget.

    Or maybe they are just mad that their candidate did not get the job.

  • RamsesIV Feb 1, 2013
    Towel Boy

    What "happened" 20 years ago to create this animosity toward Mr. Pinkowski? I mean...instead of all the inuendo...lay it out. Obviosly, nothing much because he not only was hired in Wayne County but rehired in Clayton. Time to move on...perhaps?

  • randythorntonv3 Feb 1, 2013
    Rookie

    waggle, I believe they only had 6 all conference players.

    Still amazing that someone who does not have a kid at CHS knows so much.

    Do you coach in the civitan program?

  • waggle right Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I already answered that. Over 60% of the CHS team played youth football along with 7 all conference players. Have a good day.

  • flairrick Feb 1, 2013
    Pro

    Not calling it out as worthless, that is what you said.

    What I am saying is that it is not a precursor to success in the future.

    And I have spoken with many parents who have the same opinion as I do.

    And still waiting for you to answer my questions on how you know about all these kids in JOCO that have played youth football and are on all the HS teams.

  • waggle right Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Well, we will just have to continue to disagree than. So now your calling out the kids of a youth program and telling that what they are doing is worthless and that the coaches who volunteer their time do not make a difference. Things must not have went well for you during your youth football days with your kids. But regardless thanks for your input, but I feel most if not all people will disagree with you on this subject of youth sports.

  • flairrick Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    I have checked each and every program out and have had kids in all 3.

    Civitan was just yelling.
    Middle school was instruction and learning proper technique.
    JV not as much instruction as middle school but finding where your future lies in the program.
    HS, not as many players, but devoted.

    Of the 6 kids who made all conference at Clayton this year, how many played civitan?

  • flairrick Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    Waggle,sorry but I disagree.

    Your 65lb civitan stud will get destroyed on the next level unless he grows.

    I know a kid with no fear that got cut this year from middle school. Too small.

    I have had kids in all 3 programs so I have first hand knowledge. Size matters.

    I can name 8 returners at Clayton next year that did not play civitan.

    And they do civitan night for the community, that is all.

    Go through Clayton's starters this year and pick the civitan boys out. Not that many that I know.

    And how do you know all of these kids on varsity rosters played youth football. Do you keep rosters and compare?

  • waggle right Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    There is also a reason as to why the Johnston County Schools like Clayton, Cleveland, Corinth Holders, and Smithfield hold a youth football night. Its because they know where the future lies. Its not in the Middle School programs its in the boys playing on Saturday morning and Saturday nightswith those youth programs.

  • waggle right Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    have you ever looked at a roster for the local high schools in Johnston County?? Sure you have not! Because if you had and if you know the kids then you would recoginze that on average 50% of the players on the rosters played in some youth program prior to Middle School and High School. Last year at Clayton that number was probably around 65 to 70 percent. If you ask anyone of those kids that are seniors today what was the biggest help to them during their career they will tell you it was the youth programs.

    I have one son in the program on the mini mite level and he is a 5-0 tall 65 pound line backer that will knock your balls back into your throat if he gets the chance. So he is not the biggest kid on the team.

  • waggle right Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    140 you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You really should get yourself over and check the program out. The Middle School programs are NOT where the fundamentals of football are taught at. Those fundamentals are taught in the Pop Warner and EWFL programs. If you do not catch on prior to middle school you are in trouble your freshman year.

  • flairrick Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    Waggle, seems like you and I have a different opinion.

    But I can tell you this, the middle school coaches, which is the first exposure these kids have with real football, are not impressed by the civitan kids.

    The best players and most talented normally have never set foot at the civitan field.

    Waggle, when will your kids be suiting up for Clayton and how big and what position?

  • waggle right Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Come on down 140 and bring your Whoooooooo with you. LOL. I am sure there can be a spot made for you. I mean after all someone has to clean under the bleachers after the games.

  • flairrick Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    I support all Clayton sports. IMO civitan does not teach technique at all. Plus, you have no idea how the kids will grow prior to middle and HS.

    Playing civitan does not guarentee a thing in middle or HS.

    Yes, there are some good coaches, but just because you volunteer doesn't make you a good coach. The majority have kids that play and daddy ball is just as prevalent in football as it is in baseball.

    I just don't think it is as necessary as some might think for future success. The successful teams in the civitan league normally have one big or fast back that runs the ball the majority of the time and that is how they win.

    And why would I coach in something that I feel is not useful for future growth and success. Middle school is the beginning of a young mans football career IMO.

    Interesting take on the turnout. I heard the majority of the returning players were there and that it was a very good meeting.

    But when you look for negativity, you will find it. Anxious to see if your son ever suits up for Clayton. How big is he?

  • cantbustem Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Very low turnout for the party today. 140, I am glad to see that you support todays youth most of which will be in Clayton blue.I am sure that all of those coaches that happily volunteer their time and rescources do not think it is a waste. Considering your obvious extensive background in coaching and psychology maybe you should consider going down to the civitan and show them how it is done.

  • waggle right Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I have kids in the Civitan program and the program is not a waste. Now there are some coaches there that I would not give a nickle for because they are living out their dream through their kids, but the majority of the coaches are good at what they do. It is a VERY succesful program and many kids currently at CHS, CHHS, WJHS, Cleveland, and SSS have come through that program.

    cant, I did not go. Family had another obligation tonight. I will see him soon enough at some point. Did you make it out? I wonder if there was a buffet. hmmmm

  • flairrick Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    Civitan is a waste. They think yelling is coaching. Not sure who your head coach is, but consider me unimpressed with civitan coaching. RMS has good coaching, CMS not so much.

  • cantbustem Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Waggle, Any news from the bag bash tonight?

  • cantbustem Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I have kids in the civitan and at CMS. As long as things look good, they will all be Comets but as you so generously pointed out,we all certainly have other quality options.

  • flairrick Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    can't, no snide remarks. I like the old staff and love Gary.

    To be honest, I do not know the new coach personally.

    I just do not like some of the innuendos and hint, hint, nudge nudge stuff some of you bring up.

    I am at that school almoepst every day and know lots of the players.

    From what I gather, you and waggle do not have kids that attend CHS. If you don't like the new coach or his past back to the mid 90's, I am sure Corinth, Cleveland, SSS or West, would love to have your kids.

    Btw, neither of you have answered, do your kids play football in middle school or civilian.

  • DeepInTheTrenches Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    @rick140. Why are you so defensive on this topic I see nothing wrong with anything waggle or bust has posted. There not saying go to meet the coach and raise hell. Just if anyone thinks its damage control. Btw to answer the original question I think it's a little bit of both to be honest. Say what you want but in Clayton you have to have the community on your side to be successful. If the people didn't matter they wouldn't be doing a meet the coach. The same people you think are just yelling has a relative on the field.

  • waggle right Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    1024 I agree with your post. I also in a previous topic said that I would give this new coach a chance and I do intend to do that. The topic of this post was for something that I have never heard of before. Once the NWA champion got wind of it he has tried to turn into another bash topic which I have refrained from doing. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the NWA champion and "Pink" are in tight together. If he said that 2+2=5 and I said it was 4 the NWA champion would start an argument and say that I was being biased. I did like your post randypate and I do agree with it. Also, 140 it might surprise you as to how much people on here do know.

  • cantbustem Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Nice Post 1024! As for 140, you might want to stop while your ahead! No need to make snide remarks about the current staff and former head coach. This thread could easily go where we all know you do not want it to go!

  • randypate1024 Jan 31, 2013
    Towel Boy

    www.highschoolot.com/content/video/7011340/ Here is a link to the video when Randy Ragland was hired at West Johnston High School on 2/11/2010. This is evidence that these type of events have been done before on new hires from outside a program. Likewise, the new coach at West Johnston, Williams, was hired from within and does not warrant a "meet the coach" event. When a hire comes into a situation where they are new as opposed to being promoted, the angst that festers during transition can be reduced or removed by giving the staff, players, and parents an opportunity to meet the coach and ask questions and get answers straight from the horse's mouth. In addition, such an event can serve as the foundation of the relationships that everyone hopes to foster as a result of the new HC being hired. John Maxwell, respected author, suggests that all people feel better and do better when you give them attention, affirmation, and appreciation. This is accomplished when you let people know you need them. "The greatest compliment that was ever paid me was when someone asked me what I thought, and attended to my answer"-Henry David Thoreau. I cannot speak to your concerns as I don't know what they are based upon but I can tell you that given the opportunity this coach will continue to build upon the firm foundation of what two other coaches produced over the past 50 years in the Clayton community. He will expect and demand the best from the players as students as well as athletes and he will do everything possible within the rules to make sure they are successful regardless of what the scoreboard reflects. So I respect your right to dislike the person but I encourage you to objectively evaluate the job that will be done off the field as well as on before rendering your judgment. Although your opinion of the man may not change, I am confident that your feelings towards the performance will.

  • flairrick Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    I find it interesting that waggle and cantbustem are so concerned and their kids do not even attend the HS.

    BTW, there were tons of kids who didnt play because of the current coaching staff and Gary's style. Maybe those great athletes will come and play for a new coach and philosophy.

    You folks that sit at the lunch counter or breakfast at Jone's need to mind your own business and not dwell on the past. We all know you guys are perfect and the smartest, but yet have chosen not to share your knowledge with young men and coach. Cant believe you havent been hired on the staff.

    cantbustem, for someone who says they do not have kids in the school, you seem to think you are very connected. I doubt all the correct information is discovered at Jones's.

    To add validity why dont you share where you get your information. Maybe I will believe a little more of what you say.

  • cantbustem Jan 31, 2013
    Sports Legend

    NOT!!!!!!

  • cap8fan Jan 31, 2013
    All Star

    Patriot50

    It is very possible that the PRINCIPAL'S decision was to let the committee make the decision and not to interfere. Some principal's will in fact trust their committee to make the decision. As long criminal backgrounds are clear and the references from previous employers are not damaging, principal's will support the committee without much input. The reverse is also true. Some principal's will ask for a committee's top 2 or 3 candidates, meet with them individually, and make a final decision. Sounds like Clayton's principal let the committee roll with this one.

  • Patriot50 Jan 30, 2013
    Veteran

    Joco, know this: committee or no committee, the PRINCIPAL makes the hire. He/she will gather input from staff, but ultimately it's one person's call. Time will tell, let's see what happens on the field and in the classroom. Ultimately, it's about the kids, not us wannabes/hasbeens/mightabeens in the stands.

  • flairrick Jan 30, 2013
    Pro

    Waggle, that is hysterical. Like I said, if those folks don't like it, tough.

    Do your kids play football at a middle school?

    What does it matter if people who were around in the mid 90's care about who the coach is. They will not play and they will have no influence over the program.

    What is a shame is folks that judge and do not know the individual. Obviously the committee was satisfied.

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