Cary Coach Resigns
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lbeck37439 Jan 17, 2013
All i can say is its going to take a special coach to change this thing around cause for a long long time they have not been good in football, and most of the years it has not come from coaching.They have not had the talent to play with the big dogs. Just cause you have 2000 students dont mean you will have talent.Plus the middle schools that feed into Sanderson are not too good in football either.So sometimes it has more to do with where you are, not with coaching.
Since 1999 35-118.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 17, 2013
Also Truth, you wrote others have told you he left to.....one to win games and the other to get a D1 scholarship. Not to get a more positive relationship with his coaches and have fond memories. He went to LHS and because a part of the BB show.....
Having a positive relationship with a coach was a factor as well.
Yes, cause there was not any winning at SHS because of coaching, and yes he would get more exposure at LHS because of better team, better support, better coaching, better overall program, and to partner with another talented player. If it was "All Good" at SHS, he would have remained.
He has captured fond memories because of it.
And you have NO fond memories of your high school football experience?? Sorry to hear it.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 17, 2013
This comment is to old man.
You have simply made a baseless and ridiculous comment..... In his mind, every kid who ever played on a losing team lost a chance at a good high school experience.......
Are you a mind reader now? Your comment could not be farther from the truth. You continue to lose credibility by making such statements.
I played 6 years of football sir. I was involved in 3 winning seasons, and 3 average at best. My favorite experience was with my Junior High (9th grade) team. A losing record by one game, but had the most fun that year. I still remember one play the coach installed, it was called Big Ball of S--T right. The ball was snapped, and the whole team went right. We loved to hear that play called, and sometimes the coach hand signaled it in from the sidelines!!(leave it to your imagination) We played at our rivals field that year, and the coach led us marching on the field carrying the other teams mascot stuck on the end of a sword. Good times!
So it is you OLD "out of touch mind reading" COACH that does not get it. A good experience sometimes means nothing about the record. At SHS, bad record, bad moral, just bad, bad, bad.
I am grinding no ax. I am sharp enough to speak the truth here. There are many more that have the same opinion.
Truthhurtsback at ya, It takes talent to QB an 11-0 state playoff team. Do not discount his skills. Not anyone could have achieved his success there. He did have many rushing TDs and had to actually pass the ball(Sarcasm)to BB and others. He is very intelligent, and his heart is big. Talent will show, and it did show at Sanderson with him, but the coach did not have a clue how to make it shine.
I am in agreement with mjjohnson5573, and cap8's last post. Cap8, He had a lot of support when he began, but after changing offenses, bad play calling, bad gametime management, kids not enjoying themselves, and watching one of the schools top supporting parent and athlete go to LHS, the support fell off quick.
oldtimecoach Jan 16, 2013
Looks like Raleigh Rocks bowed out before I could get back in to reply to his comments from last week...but it seems others have taken him on in my absence. The guy has an axe to grind, there's at least one of those everywhere. In his mind, every kid who ever played on a losing team lost a chance at a good high school experience. Since half the teams lose, that's a lot of bad experiences. Maybe we can find a way for all of them to take turns winning? I'm kidding of course. I'm afraid he just doesn't get it.
mjjohnson5573 Jan 16, 2013
I think the challenge for any coach now days is to create a true team atmosphere (easier said than done). You have to create some excitement and get players, parents, fans, and administration all on board (the team). I also think it's important to have a feeder system (pop warner type system) where kids get some early coaching. It takes help from supporters at every level that, share the same passion, to have repeated high level success. So what I'm saying is that being a good X's and O's coach doesn't necessarily make you successful. The atmosphere you can create is a big part of the future success. Some programs are easier to walk into than others. Sandersons new coach has a lot of work ahead of him and I applaud him for taking on the challenge. I for one hope he's successful because it will make the cap8 a better conference. Which, in turn makes Friday nights more entertaining.
truthhurt101 Jan 16, 2013
Raleigh Rock 1.
Where are you getting all your information from? Cause it sound to me that you have 1 or 2 kids that play or played football at Sanderson and did not enjoy it or are you talking about yourself? Cause this is personal to you.
I played football for one of the top 10 schools in the state of NC and I don’t have any fond memories of my coaches, other than them push me to be better and I’m sure the Sanderson coaches were doing the same under Lewis. My memories, wanted to go to practice to get better and going out on Friday night ready to play no matter who we were playing.
I know a few of the Sanderson's kids as well maybe not as well as you do but they didn't say the same things.
This talented QB you talk of, according to a few of the player got of Dodge as you put for a few reason, one to win games and the other to get a D1 scholarship. Not to get a more positive relationship with his coaches and have fond memories. He went to LHS and because a part of the BB show.
IMO talent will show no matter where you are.
cap8fan Jan 16, 2013
The kids (and their parents) have to be committed to the program. Sometimes it doesn't matter who the coach is. If the players aren't willing to work, or at least change their approach, then it really doesn't matter. Lovey Smith could have accepted the job at Sanderson, but if the kids don't work hard in the weight room, work hard at practice, and buy-in, then results will stay the same. A progam CAN NOT improve without players who are committed and parents who are supportive.
Can anyone who is close to the program comment on any of this? How committed is the administration, players, booster club, and families? And when I talk about commitment, I am not talking about pre-game tailgating and stuff like that. I am talking about a sincere commitment to building a championship program.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 16, 2013
ntheweeds, that sums it up.
Cgreen, you ramble too much on things I don't say. Bottom line is the Sanderson Football program was in shambles. It was worst in Nov. 2012 than it was in August 2008. Coaches had 4 years to turn around and failed. (Again, more to turning it around than wins and losses.) I know a lot of kids who had one time in their life to play high school football. Their experience here was not a good one, there was no positive relationship with coach, and they do not have fond memories.
So we disagree about support. You prefer blind support, and I prefer to support for 3 years, then make an informed decision saying, Well, you gave it a shot but sorry, its not working. I can not support a program that is not doing the things that needed to be done to be successful. Many others agree with me.
The record stunk, the morale was low, a talented starting QB got the heck out of Dodge, the program was a failure, and the coach resigned. You choose to defend it, I choose to speak the truth. I refuse to comment anymore on the previous failed program. Nothing more to say now but I was right, the proof is in the pudding. Go Spartans, New Life!!!!
strongside Jan 15, 2013
Cary JV struggled but heard Varsity was playing alot of soph's who could have helped JV. Cary is still the town school. GH and PC are there but no tradition!
jetsweep2 Jan 15, 2013
Bottom line is based on previous record Sanderson made a solid hire. Many feel that Sanderson will improve very fast, others think that Kolstad won with better talent and money.
This will be a huge test for Kolstad, if he turns it around it will be a huge feather in his cap...if not well frankly it is expected. Either way its not going to be settled here. It will begin to be settled Feb 1st his first day on campus. Will he have buy in for the weight room, assistants, faculty, administration or was it smoke and mirrors during the interview.
Whatever happens there will be fans that will comment about the game or coaches abilities. There will also be coaches that defend other coaches because despite the competitive nature of the business it is a tight nit business because of unwarranted criticisms that take place with todays media outlets.
Debate Kolstads efforts in about 2-3 years when results truly have a chance to shine or decline!
teammugs Jan 15, 2013
Regardless of how people feel, coaches shouldn't be ripped for the 'motives' behind why they do what they do. Sanderson hasn't been very good but IMO coaching isn't the only problem there...If the players have ability and they buy into the coaches program quite possibly they can turn it around...look at Leesville...a program was built and the players bought in and even after a coaching move the program continues...the players are still committed and that didn't happen by accident - it was taught and passed on..
wendellboy10 Jan 15, 2013
I think that this debate really boils down to X's and O's will always be outdone if someone has the Johnny's and Joe's. Bill Cowher could have come into Sanderson and not have had seasons like Leesville Road did, plain and simple (unless he brought in some transfers, but that's another story). Am I saying there is no one over at Sanderson that can play, not at all. In fact I think that there is at least one legit future D-1 player there in Nigro, along with several good/solid type guys. The problem is these type players are often the backups or "glue" guys at a program like Leesville, not the key playmakers. A great coach can keep the score close or game competitive for a while, and may even pull out a couple of "W"'s, but unless the athletes are on the field then the more talented team will win 90% of the time. I know some of Sanderson's coaches and while I don't feel they were big time coaches, they were in it for the right reasons and did the best they could.
cgreen Jan 15, 2013
It may be easy to rip high school coaches anonymously on a message board, but that doesn't make it right. Raleigh Rocks says its about the kids, and the coaches I know at Sanderson (I don't know the entire staff, but I know some of them very well) are ALL about the kids. The guys I know at Sanderson are in the business for all the right reasons---not one of them is in it for ego, to make himself look good,and certainly not to make money. None of them deserve what's gone on with this message board. Unfortunately, too often fans will sooner praise the coaches who aren't in it for the right reasons because they win and rip good people because they don't.
ntheweeds Jan 15, 2013
cgreen: it's pretty easy to rip the Sanderson coaches. they were terrible
cgreen Jan 15, 2013
I've read your posts, Raleigh Rocks. You have constantly ripped the Sanderson coaches. My expectations from a high school "supporter" is to support, not come on message boards and rip his coaches over and over---particularly during the season. You make a tough job impossible. Coaches can't lead if they are constantly undermined.
I don't need you to tell me its about the kids, I'll stand on my own record there. I certainly don't need you to tell me about Leesville Road. I can assure you I know far more about that program than you can dream of knowing--as many of the posters on here can attest. I never said anything about the QB who transferred, so I'm not sure why you even brought that up. My issue, as with most of the others on here, has been with your coming on here for months with your negative posts while claiming to be a "supporter". You've got a new coach, now go support.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 14, 2013
truth, your bashing the kids now. Furthermore, Your initial comment makes no sense.
Moving on then,...Truthhurt said....So if Sanderon's coaches staff was over at Leesville, Leesville would have went 2 and 9. I don't think so.
I dont know if they would have been 2-9 but I do believe they would have not been as successful..IE 11-0 and in playoffs. Conversely and more to the point, If the Leesville staff was at SHS, I believe they would have had a better record, and a better program. But this is all conjecture and no way to prove.
There is at least one person who played for both programs, and I am confidant this person would agree that Leesville staff was far better at coaching, football knowledge and intangibles. Frankly, if SHS continue to have losing records, id be fine with that if all the other stuff is better like moral and coach player relationships.
Cap 8, we seem to have an agreement here, about getting kids to the weightroom. Even kids who were JV can bulk up if they are motivated to get er done! I will say again, it is not as much about the x and o as it is about motivation, discipline, and team chemistry. Football, as with most sports, is mostly mental. But please can we move on from SHS old staff bashing? The program has new life now, which again is what it desperately needed.
cap8fan Jan 14, 2013
How do you know that? Sometimes coaches like to take on new challenges depending on where they are in their career. Maybe he did want to take on the challenge of a program like Sanderson. Maybe he does want to test out his coaching skills. Who knows and who cares. We won't see the effect of his hiring on the program until 2014 unless he can recruit within the building to get kids who didn't play last year into the weight room preparing now for 2013.
Does anyone know if he is teaching at Sanderson? The head job came open but Tony Lewis is still there so he didn't leave a teaching position open.
truthhurt101 Jan 14, 2013
I really want to know why after 9 years did he leave Cary? I know it was not to test his coaching skills
Jumpback Jan 14, 2013
This thread has its fair share of fishing and button-pushing comments.
Durhamnut Jan 14, 2013
It's been established he had marginal success with talent. Lets see if he has success without talent.
I give him credit for taking a job to avoid the axe.
truthhurt101 Jan 14, 2013
Oh man I take a trip to the beach for a weekend and miss out on a lot.
Raleigh Rocks 1. I really think you need to go up to Sanderson and find Kolstad and ask him to coach. I'm sure he will say no but it's worth a try right? If you get on you can say your the reason Sanderon program turned around. Lol
So if Sanderon's coaches staff was over at Leesville, Leesville would have went 2 and 9. I don't think so.
If Kolstad think he is going to go to Sanderon and run thinks like Cary. Smh that's is something I will have to be there to see. Cary was a running team right? Nice OL and a few kids that can run the ball.
Good luck finding that at Sanderon. Oh wait they have Raleigh Rocks 1 to go point out all the talent walking the halls of Sanderon. Sanderson should open a new job him. Recruiter
teammugs Jan 13, 2013
wrong about what? - SHS coaching has been taking abeating on here for as long as I can remember...and Cary has been a good program under coach Kolstad...I think it's been established that he can coach, unless Cary has been a sleeping giant in the Tri 9 and they've underachieved under him...now we'll see if he can coach Sanderson...one thing for sure is success won't happen overnight, if at all...
Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 13, 2013
cgreen, I said MAYBE in caps. If you have read many of my post your theory about me ripping him if they lose is not valid.
You say I am not the type of supporter teams need. What are your expectations from a high school supporter Cgreen? Am I supposed to just say yeah, way to go, good job, when the kids are not having fun, when the program is a laughing stock, ect. ect., and when there is no major changes being implemented to right the ship? When I see the students getting short changed from high school football memories, mainly due to the culture of accepting a losing team just to support a non successful coach, it does upset me. Sorry, I am not going to be that guy, not after 4 years.
Please remember, it is about the kids. They only have 4 years of High School football and if they have a bad experience..thats it for them. Take Sandersons former QB who went to Leesville in his senior year. He experienced 2 wins in 3 years at SHS, goes to Leesville and goes 11-0 and in playoffs. He knows I am speaking the truth here. You gonna bust him and his parents for making that move? That family, a huge supporter of SHS football and athletics, became fed up about the staff, so much so he went to another school in his senior year! I must not be the only one with this point of view. I am confident he could tell you many different things he learned to be more successful on the field at LHS than at SHS.
panamajack Jan 12, 2013
I give Coach Kolstad credit for taking on a challenge.
Paul Giamatti Jan 12, 2013
you are wrong teammugs. Now we will see if Kolstad can coach.
cgreen Jan 12, 2013
The rules don't say anything about using names in a positive manner. You said those two were good enough to stay, at least in your original post. You, sir, are the type of "supporter" no high school tam needs. I'm guessing when Kolstad's team gets rung up by Leesville, Wakefield, WFR, Heritage, etc that you'll be on here ripping his staff as well.
teammugs Jan 12, 2013
Cary has been a good program under Coach Kolstad...Now we'll get a chance to see if SHS has the athletes/players to make a difference and if it has been a lack of coaching as alleged on here...SHS getting better makes the Cap8 better...good luck to the new coaching staff and to SHS...except when they play LRHS of course...
Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 12, 2013
Struck a nerve...nice! Truth does hurt sometimes.
Old man, I don't owe ya a thing, this is an opinion forum, and mine are based in truth. But I will play....
1)Yes, I would not have posted it if I didn't believe it.
2)This forums rules state you should not use names, but if I did not know anyone it would be pretty easy to find these names, so it would prove nothing.
3)I Don't think they are superior, but they related to the kids better. The best teams must have chemistry to be the best. (Lakers, last years Miami Heat, Philly Eagles all looked like champions on paper) Actually, I was trying to be nice, (Hence the MAYBE in caps) I can see all of them gone. Please be specific old coach, tell me why the coaches of a program that had a 3 and thirty something record have earned a place on the new staff at all?
HS- I think the new coach will do just fine, and I will withhold my wisdom until I see them make the same idiotic mistakes as in the past several years. I doubt it will happen.
To the other 1 time poster creepy, you so silly. I have never said anything negative in regards to coaches integrity or work ethic. I have actually commented positively at times on his integrity. As for you coming to my workplace and as you say....bash your performance and see if I can inflict some judgement on you, your charachter, your work ethic, your handling of employees or co-workers and crow on about how bad your treat everyone....I wish you would as there would be nothing to bash. If I did all that, Id be fired....unless I was my own boss like a coach and an AD is.
Carry on yall. Just excited to have a coach with some proven experience now, and a new beginning. Oh, and please remember, the old coach quit himself. Even he must have thought it was better for the school and the team. i agree with him on that if he did.
cap8creep Jan 12, 2013
I would love to meet Raleigh Rocks 1 in a room with grease board and expo markers. He would be stuttering in 4 mintues about how little he really knows about coaching football. Tell us Rocks, what do you do to make a living? I need to get on that forum and bash your performance and see if I can inflict some judgement on you, your charachter, your work ethic, your handling of employees or co-workers and crow on about how bad your treat everyone. I know who you are and all you ever do is squeak like a wheel that neeeds to be greased. You attend SHS sporting events and are obnoxiously negative and a know it all. It has been the case now for years and honestly, SHS baseball and football events will be such a pleasure to attend once I and many others do not have to hear your obnoxious and very negative comments.
tlewis27 Jan 11, 2013
Raleigh Rocks 1 or should I say Mr. Bill McFarling. PLease go impart you wisdom on the coaches at Sanderson since you know so much.
oldtimecoach Jan 11, 2013
Really. You have enough knowledge of all the coaches on that staff to know that only two of them are worth retaining? Who was the DC and what makes you think he and the DL coach are superior to everyone else there. You've been ragging on the Sanderson HC for a while. Please be specific with your knowledge of the assistants that you are so ready to put out of work.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 11, 2013
MAYBE the DC should stay a coach, and the Dline part time coach needs to be fulltime but dont think he will. Other asst. coaches need to Gooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
Bengal4life Jan 11, 2013
That is too common of a misconception. Kolstad has actually always been his own OC. The hot knife is all the different offenses he himself went through. His brother Andrew trademarked that defense and then left before the past season.
They need to let him bring in two great coordinators. Jackpot for Sanderson if the Kolstad brothers reunite!
oldtimecoach Jan 11, 2013
You're not going to bring in a new staff in Wake County (or many other places these days). The best you can hope for is one or two spots open up and the administration lets you fill those with coaches. But if you have a couple already in place who are good and you add a couple of more who are, you can fill in around that and be about as well off as most people are.
strongside Jan 11, 2013
Maybe a few but not many. He has gone through OC's like a hot knife through butter (including his brother). Last I heard his OC from last year is potentially going to PC. Has a better chance of retaining the good ones currently on Sanderson staff and filling in the holes from outside IMO
truthhurt101 Jan 11, 2013
What about coaches? Is Kolstad bring in a new staff? What I have heard those coaches had been there for a while.
jetsweep2 Jan 10, 2013
Lets let Kolstad prove a little more before he is in the same thread as Earl Smith.
Word on the street is that principal at Sanderson is a former football coach from Ohio. If so, this COULD be a HUGE advantage over other schools in Wake County. Most large city high schools are diploma mills that just get kids throught school so the dropout rate and graduation rates look good.
However, if the prinicpal is a former coach he is more inclined to arrange little things to help the program succeed. Such things as...
1) Kids in the weight room during the day...shouldnt be that hard, if they can get it worked out for the band, why not for a program that actually makes some money.
2) Hire coaches when there are teaching vacancies. Dont just hire a coach if he is a teacher but hire coaches. If they are not a good teacher, they are not a good coach and you dont want them anyway.
3) 4th period planning...sounds simple, but it allows coaches to bounce ideas off each other more often. Not only that, it allows them time to set up for practice, paint fields, cut grass, wash laundry, fix equipment, burn DVDs, creat highlight films, call college coaches back, answer media requests, etc
4) Give coaches one prep during the season. If at all possible only give a coach one type class to teach. If a coach has too many classes to prepare for he doesnt feel he is doing a good enough job on either end so both the class and football suffers. In the offseason he may have more to do school wise. If he coaches in the spring then its up to which sport he has more of a role.
5) Leave the coach alone in the class room. If they are not doing their job, you will know...however, constently observing a coach during the season is something that upsets coaches. One time(as a head coach) I was observed with 5 minutes left in the DAY, on a Friday! I got out ASAP!
These are a few things that admin can do to sell a job that cost NOTHING and gives a coach a little step up on most.
oldtimecoach Jan 10, 2013
I agree with cap8fan...there is no comparison from Sanderson to WFR or Kolstad to Earl Smith. Anyone expecting the same thing to happen is fooling themselves. Another factor is that the football in the Cap8 overall (and Wake County as well) is far better than it was when Coach Smith took over at WFR. It won't be easy to catch up and pass WFR, Leesville, Wakefield, etc.
Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 10, 2013
A comment was made saying......So what if some of the kids didn't like the coach, what does that have to do with them playing football?
Had a coach come up to a new 9th grader years ago, he was tall and big boned, but had no intention of playing football. The coach spoke to him and said, Hey, I need you on my team, I need you to help me be successful. I think if you lift weights, and dedicate yourself, you can be a top lineman. Long story short, the new student decided to.... 4 years later earned a football scholarship to West Point. Many years later, this 9th graders life has still been effected in a positive way, graduating from West Point, and becoming a successful business person. It would not have happened if the player(s) did not like or respect the coach enough to get on the field.
Thats how a coach can change a program. About a million other stories like this one from coaches that inspire, and teach with love and respect. It is not as much about the Xs and Os as it is about team, mental preparation, and discipline. All I want is Sanderson to compete. I saw first hand how old coach acted, I saw first hand how others coached against us. Sanderson was laughed at. Maybe now, Sanderson will not be the automatic W in the other teams record, or the team who everyone wants to play on homecoming.
truthhurt101 Jan 10, 2013
This past season I believe Sanderson did compete with Millbrook, Heritage, and Broughton but just didn't have enough to beat them. So you are asking the new coach to do the same thing. Not win just compete is an improvement.
This last years team was the best I have seen from Sanderson in many years.
truthhurt101 Jan 10, 2013
Good Point Cap8fan
cap8fan Jan 10, 2013
Everyone is so quick to mention Earl Smith. Coach Smith is NOT DUMB. He would NEVER accept a job at a school where he knew he wasn't going to be given the resources to win.
When Coach Smith took the WFR job, it was with an administration that he worked with at Millbrook and there was a commitment to give him EVERYTHING he wanted (money, coaches, football only weight training, etc.). Part of what makes a coach great is knowing what to ask for and what to look for in a job. Coach Smith would never have accepted the job at Sanderson because they have not demonstrated a commitment to winning. Kolstad is a good coach but there is no way you can compare Kolstad going to Sanderson with Smith going to WFR.
oldtimecoach Jan 10, 2013
It depends on what the expectations are--and anything's possible. Someone mentioned Coach Smith at WFR, but I think there are two differences: Sanderson is not the same as WFR and Kolstad is not Smith. Still, as some have pointed out, they could manage to win a few games. I don't see them competing with the top teams, but if they can schedule the "right" games non-conference and compete with the lower teams in the Cap-8, it would be an improvement.
Jumpback Jan 10, 2013
4-7 would be my estimate for year one with more wins probable in the years to come.
Jumpback Jan 10, 2013
No ties but I've seen well coached and not-so-well coached teams and it's difficult to imagine Coach Kolstad not winning more than 2 games with Sanderson this year.
truthhurt101 Jan 10, 2013
Okay Jumpback, it seem to me you have some kind of tie to this program and know more about the inning workings than I do. Im just on the outside looking in. So 4-7 next year.
Jumpback Jan 10, 2013
I said Sanderson will improve. Then clarified (per your request) that they would improve in the win column (as opposed to their manners/timeliness to pre-game meals/matching cleats). It's my opinion that Sanderson could easily win 2 non-conf and 2 conf games this fall. That's based solely on the addition of their new head coach.
truthhurt101 Jan 10, 2013
Okay, so Sanderson will beat Millbrook, Broughton, Heritage and Enloe?
Jumpback Jan 10, 2013
They'll improve in the win column but no I don't see Sanderson beating those top tier teams in the Cap 8.
truthhurt101 Jan 10, 2013
Jumpback, improve in what kind of way? what teams do you see Sanderson beating? None of your top picks right?
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