Football Try-Outs/Cuts

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  • hsfootballraleigh Feb 14, 2013
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    CUT PLAYERS, yes they will feel bad, but if you have many players out there practicing, you only get 2 hours of practice, if you want your starting/key players to get more reps. CUT players, you dont want kids happy to call theirselves players, you want kids who will give you their all. You win champions by a strong team, how do you determine the strength of a chain, by the weakest link.

  • blakegarwood Feb 13, 2013
    Towel Boy

    Ok thanks for the info everyone, anyone have anything else to add?

  • kmagnusson Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Somebody has to hold the blocking dummies.

  • lbeck37439 Feb 1, 2013
    Sports Legend

    can i ask what does it matter if a school does or dont?

  • rdc1214 Jan 31, 2013
    Pro

    I think it all depends on numbers. When I went to Garner they cut in 93 for JV, but not 94, and not for Varsity in 95 and 96 because they felt they did not need to. Besides there were always kids who cut themselves. I know in 96 they talked about it early, but enough kids stopped that it was not needed. I do not think they cut unless they get huge numbers.

  • hsfootballraleigh Jan 31, 2013
    All Star

    Some teams (most in cary/apex area do not cut) durham teams tend to cut.
    If a kid comes out and give you is all do you cut him?
    But if you keep him and he begs for playing time what do you do?
    I would cut because some kids just want to be on the team to be cool, but if they do something wrong it tarnishes your program.

  • schiess Jan 27, 2013
    All Star

    That's cool twetherby,sometimes people talk out of the side of there faces and that would be me.you are correct and respect your opinion ,a good kick to the rear is good along with some humiliation from time to time.besides I was never good at math.

  • twetherby Jan 26, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    schiess - The $1000 figure is the upper end of the range, but, as I said, it is dependent upon the quality of the equipment. Sure, you can buy a set of shoulder pads for $125, but then you may end up with more shoulder injuries. Most helmets are safe, but, there is a difference between a $185 helmet and a $300 one. Also, you cannot simply buy 1 uniform for a kid. You have to have a practice uniform, an away uniform and a home uniform at a minimum. Most have multiple combinations of jerseys and pants. It gets expensive. Add to that girdles, thigh, knee, rear pad, and hip pads, belts, mouthpieces, socks, and stickers to go on the helmets and it adds up. At a MINIMUM, it would cost about $750 to outfit 1 kid. My estimate of $1000 is from experience, but even that number could be higher if a school went high end on everything and had the multiple uniforms.

    As you can see, I rarely post. When I do, I know what I am talking about. The schools that cut players may do it for a variety of reasons. My point is that cost most than likely leads those reasons.

  • schiess Jan 25, 2013
    All Star

    I agree rbailey3,our school is small so we don't have cuts ,we need bodies but it doesn't mean every young man is going to play ,your best players have to be on the field.everybody suits up but everybody doesn't play even at a small school but you understand society's mind set "everybody gets a trophy " makes me very disgusted.nice reply and it makes a lot of sense.

  • cgreen Jan 25, 2013
    Pro

    rbailey3 is exactly right.

  • cgreen Jan 25, 2013
    Pro

    schiess,
    what is your problem? The guy said $1000 per player depending on quality and $5000 for 5 players. He's not far off on his total and how much you spend for player does depend on quality. I don't know where you get your math or why you feel disposed to jump either he or I. I don't need to "dazzle" you or anybody with anything. I was "chiming in" to add to the discussion. If you're going to jump some guy on here about his facts, know yours first. How much equipment have YOU purchased?

  • rbailey3 Jan 25, 2013
    Towel Boy

    I get the impression from reading many of the post that people feel like "cutting" kids in football is somehow different than cutting kids in all other sports? That a coach in football should allow anyone willing to do the work to be on the team? Well I can tell you from my experience that cutting kids is the single hardest thing you do as a coach, in any sport. But sometimes, as the head coach, you have to make that decision. You have to do what is best for the program, not necessarily the individual player. Because playing football is absolutely the single best thing a young man can do (but so is joining the military and not everyone does that) as a high school student to build character, toughness, determination, teamwork, etc. BUT, as the head coach, the program comes first. And the same people that want you to keep every kid, will be the same people calling for your job when you aren't successful. You cut kids for several reason. Sometimes, as a few have suggested, its economics. We don't have space or equipment to keep over a certain amount? Sometimes, however, you cut a kid because even though he may be talented enough, he will be a cancer or a disruption to the team. I tell people all the time, its not about getting the best players, its about getting the "right" players! Sometimes its addition by subtraction. But finally, sometimes you cut because every time you give a rep to a kid that will never play on fridays you are robbing your other players and your team of an opportunity to get better. I like to call these kids "rep thieves". You can be the best kids in the world, but if you can't run, jump, tackle, catch, etc you can not play football. WE are not running a daycare. That is what recreational ball is for. That does not mean that I haven't kept good kids who were not very good players, but I always have a talk with those guys so they understand thier roles. And sometimes you cut to save kids lives. Some kids cant protect themselves.

  • schiess Jan 23, 2013
    All Star

    No cgreen,he is only off by 31,000.00,I guess that's pretty close to 100,000 again based on your #s using the higher # x 100 .i never said anything about quality either.chiming in is cool but have your facts straight .if you can't dazzle us with your knowledge then don't baffle us with your ,well figure out the last part of that.lol

  • cgreen Jan 22, 2013
    Pro

    Twetherby's numbers aren't ridiculous. If we're talking varsity level, a helmet will run from $170 to$250 or more. Shoulder pads are another $150 to $250. Knee pads, thigh pads, girdle pads another $40 to $50. Practice jersey and pants another $25. Game jersey $85 to well over $100 and game pants $40 to $75. Game socks from $1 to $7, belt another$2 to $6. Now, it would be hard to figure a team wouldn't have any of that....but jerseys and helmets would be most likely. If you're filling in less than 6 jerseys, that price will go as much as 3 times more. And he's right about quality--you can spend very different amounts on each of those pieces of equipment. I wouldn't tell him not to chime in when he's not that far off.

  • TheVoiceOfReason Jan 21, 2013
    Veteran

    Fuquay cuts

  • schiess Jan 19, 2013
    All Star

    Twetherby,really?are your numbers a proven fact?think about your post ,get your facts and figures correct then chime in.i don't understand depends on quality ,what are some schools playing with leather helmets and laced up pants?come on bro!

  • twetherby Jan 18, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    Athens Drive does not cut.

    As someone said though, it really depends upon the equipment that a school has available. To outfit one kid with all the equipment and uniform costs about $1000, depending upon quality. If there is only enough equipment for 100 kids, most schools would be hard pressed to fork over $5000 for 5 more kids to play.

  • Raleigh Rocks 1 Jan 18, 2013
    Rookie

    The real season practices start in August, so if a team cuts it would be like 2nd or 3rd week in August. First several days are without pads, then several days with pads.

  • tarheelfan41 Jan 16, 2013
    Veteran

    Another thing to consider: "Coaches love kids that go all out and never miss workouts." True. BUT, that doesn't really mean a lot when it comes down to the nitty gritty. Basketball 40 may come out and they cut down to a small number. Baseball may have 50 kids come out and they cut down to a small number. Football? They need practice dummies. Somebody to run plays against. A practice squad if you will. We all know of the player that worked his way into playing time (significant) but not usually. My hs team had a scrawny 130-140lb 2nd year senior played less than 10 plays in 2 years. He did not get in many more games than he did get in. If he did get in it was usually for the last play or two of the game. He was run over daily in practice got back up and asked for more. I forgot many of my teammates names over the 30+ years since then, but his name is burned in my mind forever. I asked him towards the end of his senior year, WHY? He said man I just love football and being on the team and all my teammates. If you're up for it, GO FOR IT!

  • strongside Jan 15, 2013
    Rookie

    @ff fan

    Schools always seem to find a way to keep kids. Either buying more equipment or starting a freshmen team. Football is tough and coaches respect kids want to play. Most times they find a way without cutting.

  • ff fan Dec 28, 2012
    Bench Warmer

    LRPride, rumor has it that Leesville may cut next year due to the fact that too many kids are trying out. There becomes an issue with equipment and being able to manage so many kids. They did cut this year for JV and may have to do the same for varsity next year.

  • daggumit Dec 27, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Most of the cuts come from students themselves...........either academically or realizing they are not cut out for the game at that level. some kids stay all 4 yrs and rarely see the playing field.....Most wake county schools do not have mandatory cuts.

  • blakegarwood Dec 27, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Any more insights?

  • scousler Dec 25, 2012
    Pro

    At Havelock - getting thru the crucible of summer pre-season practice was the factor in making the team. Freshman-Sophomores, unless they had exceptional physical attributes or abilities, were usually assigned to the JV squad. The rest of the early practice survivors made the team, but did not get the Varsity 'letter' unless they actually played in a ball game or made significant practice contributions.

  • blakegarwood Dec 24, 2012
    Towel Boy

    anyone else with some insights or information on this?

  • Meachems Dec 21, 2012
    Pro

    @blakegarwood if you are asking because you are interested in trying out for a team the best thing to do is go to every workout available, workout outside of football, never miss practices, and always go all out... coaches love kids who work hard, I am not saying you'll play but you'll sure as hell make the team. In all honestly only about 30 kids get a good amount of playing time barring injuries, so many kids who make the team never even see the field

  • Meachems Dec 21, 2012
    Pro

    Wakefield cuts kids from both JV and Varsity, they did not cut in the past but do now under new coach Rod Sink.

  • blakegarwood Dec 21, 2012
    Towel Boy

    @brillow how do you know this, also how many players were on the team?

  • brillowandjacob Dec 21, 2012
    Pro

    I don't think times changed all that much. One team I know who had cuts this year was Millbrook. They cut about 20 players for JV and about 5 players for Varsity this past season.

  • kmagnusson Dec 21, 2012
    Sports Legend

    A small number of players on the sidelines takes away any intimidation factor. No high school team is going to cut a kid that shows up for preseason workouts, all practices and tries there best at all times. Coaches love kids with heart!

    If I were coaching today I would recruit the biggest kids in the high school to put jerseys and pads on for game day have them in the front lines during warmups and on the sideline during the game. Nothing intimidates more than 30 300 pounders staring at you from across the field. This is the old "THOSE GUYS ARE HUGE" strategy.

  • blakegarwood Dec 21, 2012
    Towel Boy

    I'm just curious, does a team that only has around 45 players like Athens drive cut a lot to get a very selective roster, or are there really only 45 kids in the entire junior and senior class that want to play? And once again, is anybody aware of the way this is done at broughton?

  • MojoMadness Dec 21, 2012
    All Star

    I know Wilson Hunt had a process of where if you stuck it out through the grueling heat of the summer and didn't give up you were on the team. Not sure if thats still the case but I like that way of developing a team. Everyone there is willing to put the hardwork in and you have motivated driven kids who want to be there for the team even if they arent getting much playing time.

  • BenjaminDisraeli Dec 21, 2012
    Towel Boy

    I agree with you 100% tarheel... There are some kids that don't need to be on a football field, but if the school has the equipment to outfit them, it's hard to justify the cuts I guess. Besides the injury potential, a lot of parents think because their kid is on the team, they should play. Sitting in the stands at various places this year, I can't tell you how many parents I heard complaining that this kid or that kid isn't playing. Just being on the team isn't enough, all 80 kids on the JV team (even the 85 lb freshman who might get his head ripped off) needs to play according to some parents.

  • tarheelfan41 Dec 20, 2012
    Veteran

    How times have changed....

    "Back in the day" before so many options for different sports were available, we would have well over 100 kids come out for varsity and another 75 for JV and had cuts for both. Making the team was quite an honor. Now many programs are struggling for numbers. Again, times have changed, back then our school would have soccer and cross country try outs after football hoping to pick up some of the athletes cut by football! Today, not so much. Specialized training and a lot of one trick ponies. I cannot imagine that 130lb skinny unathletic kid getting in the way of a 285lb weight lifting highly tuned D1 lineman. Its hard to hide those kids all the time in practice! Then Mom and Dad wonder why little Johnny comes home all busted up. Sometimes Little Johnny doesn't need to be on the same field. There are exceptions, but there is also some physics involved too.

  • blakegarwood Dec 20, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Can anyone affiliated or close to the program verify whether or not broughton cuts?

  • blakegarwood Dec 20, 2012
    Towel Boy

    @BENJAMINDISRAELLI Thanks for the info

  • BenjaminDisraeli Dec 20, 2012
    Towel Boy

    I don't know of any teams that cut on a regular basis, but if they don't have enough equipment to outfit, the team would most likely cut prior to hitting or else risk putting someone in a drill with ill-fitting equipment.

  • cap8fan Dec 20, 2012
    All Star

    I haven't heard of any CAP-8 teams cutting players who show up to play. Even in cases where equipment is an issue, I know AD's would rather spend money to outfit players than to tell them they can't play.

  • blakegarwood Dec 20, 2012
    Towel Boy

    When do they cut? during workouts in the summer? or after hitting. Are there any teams that are well known for doing this? or any that any of you personally are aware of?

  • BenjaminDisraeli Dec 20, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Most of the schools in this area will only cut if they don't have enough equipment to outfit the kids who come out. As far as who travels, that depends on the coach. Some coaches pull a few JV guys up for Friday night as emergency reserves and others don't.

  • gtrojan03 Dec 19, 2012
    Rookie

    If Garner cuts it must be something new

  • blakegarwood Dec 19, 2012
    Towel Boy

    does everybody travel with the team?

  • LRpride Dec 19, 2012
    Bench Warmer

    I know there are a few area schools that do this, but Leesville for a fact does not. If you are willing to put in the work you will be on the team (doesn't mean you will be getting much playing time). A lot of players who may be cut as freshmen end up developing very well, and become starters their senior year which is why they keep reloading every year.

  • blakegarwood Dec 19, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Hi,

    Do many teams in this area have actual try-outs where players are cut? New to the area and just wondering about the process. If so, what teams are known for this, someone told me that schools like Garner and Broughton do in fact cut.

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