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  • BattlingBishop 5 Dec 8, 2012
    Sports Legend

    ^Agreed...they were running up the score. He needn't complain when another coach decides to do that to him in the future. What goes around comes around!!!

  • Elem-Teach Dec 8, 2012
    Veteran

    @gscruser. I don't have a dog in the fight as I don't have a son in high school. I am just a high school football fan in general. The fake punt call was total BS selfishness on Coach Roscoe's part. I think he got caught up in a moment and became a fan instead of a coach. But if he can live with the decisions and the lies he told afterward that is his business. That type of play call has no business in high school sports. And we really wonder why kids act the way they do.

  • MojoMadness Dec 8, 2012
    All Star

    @ gscruser..no bad sportsmanship is just bad sportsmanship. I gave props to N. Guilford after the Hunt game. I knew they were on another level and honestly I wasnt really shocked we lost. But 4th quarter fake punts are unnessesary when you are demolishing a team. I guess im not used to it. I dont see Hunt doing it. Thats not the kids fault its a COACHING fault. I still remain adament that NG has the best team in this state possibly. But I wont agree with the 4th quarter fake punt I dont care what team does it. EVEN if it was my team I would have been critical of it.

  • gscruser Dec 8, 2012
    Rookie

    Well it seems that the people that are complaining about the NG-CC game,either lost badly to NG or didn't make the cut. The lesson should be not to post on sports blogs about what you're going to do before a game(CC)and just play the game. The rest of these posts about bad sportsmanship are just the losers...winening,crying,#itching,and moaning.

  • hsfbfan Dec 5, 2012
    Pro

    I know this is beating a dead horse, but my thoughts anyway...

    Not once have I ever thought that Coach Roscoe made that call to run up the score. His track record backs up this position. I've seen Northern play 5 times this year. Here's a look at 4 of those games...

    1-beat DUDLEY 36-7...(29-7 at the half)
    2-beat EASTERN ALAMANCE 49-7 (49-0 in the 3rd)
    3-beat CHAPEL HILL 43-0 (36-0 at the half)
    4-beat HUNT 44-0 (37-0 at the half)

    He usually tries to just run the clock once he hits the 40's. He could have hung 60-70 points up in many of their games but didn't. In only 3 of NG's previous 23 games did they go over 50 points.

    This is my opinion...Coach Roscoe probably got caught up in the moment and made that call strictly for Logan's pursuit of a record. They had already announced over the PA that Logan had eclipsed the state championship rushing record for a single game (317, in '99), and perhaps Roscoe was made aware of the overall mark of 490 yards (set in 2011) as well. Once Logan reached 437 and 7 TDs, I know that the notion crossed my mind (and perhaps others that were aware of the 490 yd. mark) on whether Roscoe would leave him in to pursue it. I think he was probably just overtaken by the moment (Logan's final game, breaking the overall yardage record, TD #8 that would equal Logan's #8 jersey number, perhaps Roscoe's own final game at NG?). I don't know the coach personally, but those are the things that crossed my mind. I'm just about sure if he had seen the uproar that it has caused that perhaps he may would not have done it. I believe his intentions were good, or at least that's the way I'm looking at it. It was never meant to dishonor Charlotte Catholic, even if that is how it has been perceived. A fake punt was the easiest way of attaining the yardage for Logan.

    Coach Roscoe and his staff have done a tremendous job with NG. I would give him the benefit of the doubt rather than make him out to be a bad guy. He's a great coach.

  • MojoMadness Dec 5, 2012
    All Star

    you build a reputation when you do stuff like this. If coach of NG wants to run that he can...But dont be suprised if teams return the favor down the road. No team stays on top forever...not around here. It was classless and unesasary.

  • TheVoice42 Dec 5, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Folks, I personally think that "jandersonjr81" doesn't coach except for what he does on a video game, hence why he doesn't state where he "coaches" at. I can't see someone doing this in a Pop Warner championship game let alone a high school state championship game. For someone to run a trick play with the game well in hand - for any reason- has no class or no character.

    How could this coach justify an injury to one of his own players had one happened in garbage time? What about an injury to an opposing player? Just take a knee, celebrate with class & style, and let the defeated team lose with dignity.

  • BigKev71 Dec 3, 2012
    Pro

    "Why didn't Catholic just tackle him on that play? By Saint_of"

    I tell you why they didn't tackle him, there was no one else on the field fast enough to catch him. He is a special player. I've watched him play three times in person and several on film, all the kid needs is one step and no one is catching him. When he takes off after making his cut he is at full speed immediately. You can coach up all the schemes you want but you can't coach speed. He is gifted and his accomplishments should not be overshadowed by running up the score allegations. I hate the fact he is going to UNC but look forward to seeing what he does at the next level. Have a feeling you will see him playing on Sundays in three years.

  • bhutson Dec 2, 2012
    Towel Boy

    The "cutthroat attitude to succeed" comments are curious. Jim Oddo has taken a knee more times before halftime and pulled his starters earlier than almost any other coach so as not to embarrass an opponent and to give other kids a chance to get into a game and he is one of the most successful coaches ever. Coaches are teachers of life lessons and how to behave and the NG coach did not teach a good lesson last night. Congrats to Logan and his teammates. They are a great team.

  • jandersonjr81 Dec 2, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Where I coach is irrelavent. I respect Roscoe tremendously. I cant think of anything I would have done different in this game. To criticizes him is to be a sore loser or either envious. Until you have won as many titles has he has, don't comment negatively, because what he does has been proven to work 3 years in a row. PERIOD.

  • csj2 Dec 2, 2012
    All Star

    "Now can we please stop talking about if its unsportsmanlike that they ran up the score and congratulate them on the season they had."

    I have no issue with them scoring all their points and I agree it was CC's job to stop NG from scoring. Logan had a great game and I don't blame him for anything. I do congratulate him and his teammates on a spectacular season capped off with a state championship. As for his coach though, I think he showed a complete lack of class. That's my opinion and you and others are free to disagree. No one is forcing you to read my posts or anything on here for that matter

  • teammugs Dec 2, 2012
    Sports Legend

    The original post was in praise of Logan and the effort - you saw where it went...and all the ABC fans out there can hate on him next year...if need be...

  • football74 Dec 2, 2012
    Towel Boy

    This is ridiculous. In a couple years no one will remember n guilford running up the score they will remember tj Logan putting on the performance of a life time. I have nothing wrong with what roscoe did, very few coaches are going to come out and say we ran up the score so we could break a record. That's unsportsmanlike, its rubbing in the other teams face that this kid just single handedly newton your team and put up the best numbers in the history of NC high school football. Saying that he didn't want anyone to get hurt was the smart thing to do. It might even be true my coach used to onside kick in order to prevent people from getting hurt. Special teams are when most injuries do occur. As for Logan saying they did it just to get his record he is not the coach and is not consulted before every decision is made. He is not a coach and does not know the coaches reasons. Now can we please stop talking about if its unsportsmanlike that they ran up the score and congratulate them on the season they had.

  • teammugs Dec 2, 2012
    Sports Legend

    jandersonjr81 - I wouldn't play for you if you had the only team in town, and I wouldn't let anyone I know or am related to play for you...you represent the 'little league' mentality eloquently...and that's probably where you coach...

  • cgreen Dec 2, 2012
    Pro

    Just where do you coach, jandersonjr?

  • Saint_of Dec 2, 2012
    Veteran

    Why didn't Catholic just tackle him on that play?

  • jandersonjr81 Dec 2, 2012
    Towel Boy

    jandersonjr81 - yes - exactly...most coaches do think like you...Pop Warner types come to mind...and that's where that mentality belongs if it belongs anywhere...If Logan stayed in and blew out a knee then what?

    You cant play for me if you are worried about injury. Injuries happen. You dont prepare for them nor try to avoid them. They just happen. And when they do, you adjust and keep on going.

  • jandersonjr81 Dec 2, 2012
    Towel Boy

    What if he didnt want anyone to get hurt, at the same time, seeing a chance to get Logan the record breaking touchdown, so he called the fake punt for Logan. They could both be telling the truth. You dont get that chance to break a record every game. This was Logan's swan song, and I have no problem with him doing this for his player. If I was on the other side of it as the coach, I would feel embarrassed for not being prepared for it. I have been on the winning side of blowouts and the losing side. My view doesnt change regardless.

  • teammugs Dec 2, 2012
    Sports Legend

    jandersonjr81 - yes - exactly...most coaches do think like you...Pop Warner types come to mind...and that's where that mentality belongs if it belongs anywhere...If Logan stayed in and blew out a knee then what?

  • jsh27896 Dec 2, 2012
    All Star

    In the beatdown NG gave Hunt at the end they had the backups in at the end and the QB waited to snap the ball letting the clock run, even though they did try an onside kick after making it 44-0, but like I said at the end didn't think they were trying to run it up.
    I will say if that's the case the coach shouldn't have said he faked the punt so nobody would get hurt then Logan said they were. I mean its debatable on whether running it up is poor sportsmanship but if you do it then man up and don't lie about it. Again, against us at the end they were trying to run clock with reserves and conservative play calling.

  • csj2 Dec 2, 2012
    All Star

    "Most coaches I know do think like me. Its a cut throat business. Either adjust or get out. Belichick, Coughlin and Mike Tomlin didnt get as far as they did, or Les Miles and Nick Saban as far as they did by being sympathetic to the other team. They are cut throat coaches, and that is why they are the best in the business, and they have jewelry to show for it. The same applies to Roscoe. Wins titles in NC and SC. He a great coach. Youre lucky he benched TJ on that last drive and played Malik Parker, cause I would have let him go for 80 more yards and a TD. "

    The coaches you name are all college or pro coaches, except for you and Roscoe. You can talk all you want about how "cut throat coaches" are the best in the business. I know plenty of great coaches who are competitive and 'winners'--none would not have pulled a stunt like that. And don't confuse the issue--NO ONE is saying any coach should take it easy on another team or be sympathetic as they go for the win. What I am saying is that it was classless to fake the punt with a 30 point lead and 2 minutes (or less) remaining. The game was decided and nothing at that point could have changed the outcome. When Roscoe mumbled his excuse later in the post game interview saying that "....didn't want to see anyone get hurt on the return"--I knew that was BS. Logan confirmed that in his interview minutes later

    So yes--congrats to Logan on an outstanding game and NG on their third championship. Too bad Roscoe has to pull that garbage at the end though

  • jandersonjr81 Dec 2, 2012
    Towel Boy

    It's a high school game and thankfully most coaches do not share the same thought process as you. Definition of SPORTSMANSHIP: conduct (as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport.

    Most coaches I know do think like me. Its a cut throat business. Either adjust or get out. Belichick, Coughlin and Mike Tomlin didnt get as far as they did, or Les Miles and Nick Saban as far as they did by being sympathetic to the other team. They are cut throat coaches, and that is why they are the best in the business, and they have jewelry to show for it. The same applies to Roscoe. Wins titles in NC and SC. He a great coach. Youre lucky he benched TJ on that last drive and played Malik Parker, cause I would have let him go for 80 more yards and a TD.

  • hsfbfan Dec 2, 2012
    Pro

    I will echo Nick on Logan's performance tonight. I just got back and thought about it on the ride home. It was the most dominant performance of any high-school football player that I've ever seen. The good thing about BB&T's scoreboard is that they give updated stats on passing/rushing/total offensive yards after every play. I was watching his numbers accumulate on the board throughout the evening back and forth in between plays and I remember saying to one of the Northern fans seated in front of me that Logan may go over 300 yards for the game. 300? When he went over 300 and kept breaking those long runs I said he may go over 400. Then all of a sudden his TD's are going from 5 to 6 to 7 and I'm thinking this is unreal! I knew of the state record of 490 yds set last year and I figured that if they left him in he may get close to breaking it. They had already announced over the PA earlier after he broke the state championship record...but everyone around me, we were all cheering him on to keep going to break the overall record!

    Charlotte Catholic played really well in the first half. They moved the ball pretty effectively and ended up with some 300 yards of total offense for the game. I mean, who does that on Northern? Also, Catholic scored 26 pts on NG's stingy defense, becoming the first team in the last 23 games to go over 14 pts. on 'em. Had they not played the Nighthawks, I think they could have won a state title tonight. They were really good, but had a couple of bad turnovers that cost them. Eventually NG will make you pay for those mistakes. The game got away from Catholic in the 2nd half, but by then, Logan couldn't be stopped.

    Congrats to both teams on their accomplishments.

  • csj2 Dec 2, 2012
    All Star

    "Scousler and csj2, get over yourselves. I am a coach. Im am trying to score every time I have the ball. I dont care if its 100 - 0"

    It's a high school game and thankfully most coaches do not share the same thought process as you. Definition of SPORTSMANSHIP: conduct (as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport

  • gscruser Dec 2, 2012
    Rookie

    That is why they call it football. You are suppose to stop the other team..not accomodate it! I hate people who cry because a team get their &%$#$ totally kicked...BY ONE MAN !!!!!!! Come back next year and do the same!!!! Not stand around the mid-feild logo holding hands singing kumbahyah !!!

  • gscruser Dec 2, 2012
    Rookie

    Nothing hurt but CC pride!!!!!!

  • jandersonjr81 Dec 2, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Scousler and csj2, get over yourselves. I am a coach. Im am trying to score every time I have the ball. I dont care if its 100 - 0, Im trying to make it 107 - 0. If it means fake punt, going for it on 4th down, or passing while Im up. Screw the other team. If you dont want me to score, stop me.

    As for what I just saw him do in this Championship game (never thought he would out do last years game), its the single most dominant performance I have ever seen on a football field. Period. It probably always will be.

  • csj2 Dec 1, 2012
    All Star

    "You loss badly...got your POSTERIOR kicked by ONE player...get over it....!!!"

    That was not my team, so if you're referring to me, think again. You have your opinion, I have mine. Bad call on Roscoe's part to fake the punt with such a huge lead. Worse yet was his excuse in the post game interview that he did it because didn't want to see someone hurt on the punt return. I guess he didn't count on TJ contradicting his excuse in a matter of minutes. Tarnished an otherwise excellent effort by Logan and the NG team.

  • gscruser Dec 1, 2012
    Rookie

    You loss badly...got your POSTERIOR kicked by ONE player...get over it....!!!

  • loedownsports Dec 1, 2012
    All Star

    Congrats to the young man. I thought I had a treat watching Greg Williams rush for 484 on 34 carries against Leesville a few yrs ago. But to hear a kid rushed for over 500 yards in a state championship against the best, is eye popping.

  • csj2 Dec 1, 2012
    All Star

    "If you know me, you know I don't put much into claims of running up the score ever, but especially not in a state championship game. An opportunity to break records like that comes once in a lifetime. This was his last HS game. Good for him."

    Then Roscoe should be HONEST and just say that, Nick. Instead, Roscoe's explanation in the interview after the game contradicted Logan's. Roscoe told Solarte he didn't want to get anyone hurt by punting. Then, Logan says Roscoe asked him if he wanted another td to match his number. It was classless and showed a lack of sportsmanship.

  • Nick Stevens Dec 1, 2012
    Sports Legend

    I would hate to see that outstanding performance clouded because of "running up the score" mess. If you know me, you know I don't put much into claims of running up the score ever, but especially not in a state championship game. An opportunity to break records like that comes once in a lifetime. This was his last HS game. Good for him.

    As for his performance, I don't even know what to say. What I just saw was the most amazing individual performance I have seen in a high schol football game.

    28 carries, 510 yards and 8 touchdowns... with an interception on defense.

    Amazing.

  • scousler Dec 1, 2012
    Pro

    NG is a new HS only 5 years old that draws a decent majority of the quality athletes from one of the largest counties in NC. Consider it a magnet school for athletes because of its new facilities, well paid coaches. They will be a power for years to come until the NCHSAA figures out a way to keep these schools from doing this sort of thing. Much diminished respect for them after learning of this.

  • buckeyefan987 Dec 1, 2012
    Pro

    Coaches like sending their seniors out with a bang... But I don't know about the fake punt..

  • csj2 Dec 1, 2012
    All Star

    Agree scousler. I've never seen such a talented running back in a championship game. Congratulations to Logan and the NG team. But that last TD on a fake punt was a show of no class

  • scousler Dec 1, 2012
    Pro

    He's an outstanding running back but NG showed a complete lack of class with scoring the last touchdown on a totally unnecessary fake punt ... coaches and football fans will remember that far longer than TJ scoring 8 touchdowns.

  • buckeyefan987 Dec 1, 2012
    Pro

    He's pretty sick

  • teammugs Dec 1, 2012
    Sports Legend

    anybody else impressed by this guy?...

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