HighSchool OT

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

Again, if done right, there are no additional negatives. The up side is a huge money game at the end of the season, especially the 1v1 game. It also gives you 7 conference games. 3-4 non-conference games is what most coaches feel is ideal anyway.

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

ballcoach- if done right? They have already laid out what they want and it is more than one cross division game. They want two to three cross division games plus using the endowment game for a championship. So that's six divisional football games, two or three of the OOC games against cross division opponents and then a championship game across divisions tying up the endowment game at the end of the season. So that is 9 or 10 of the eleven games teams play in the regular season, only leaving one or two true OOC games. I think you visualize a situation involving a mega conference but it doesn't match up with the one that has been proposed. That is the difference.

Hopefully we will get a report from the committee today that they have rejected the proposal. From reading the N&O online yesterday it looks like they were just throwing things up there to see if anything would stick. One additional proposal they had involved 23 different teams. If they do approve one of their reconfigurations I hope they leave Harnett Central out of it. It is frustrating to get tied up in all this mess.

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

Let's be honest here, you've got constituencies at those two schools who don't like being told they have to do what they don't want to do, and what they don't want to do is go to Durham to play. They are used to having their way. Let's see if the NCHSAA bows down to them and opens up a huge can of worms in the process.

I haven't seen this anywhere: what happens to the teams who aren't 1 or 2? Do they just lose an endowment game and have an open week prior to the start of the playoffs?

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

I have no problem with Green Hope and Panther Creek searching for a better solution for them. When you are in county as large as Wake with so many 4A schools you don't want to be sent to a conference with schools outside your county, losing your natural rivals and losing a lot of money in lost gate receipts. That only two schools are picked to make this sacrifice out of all the Wake high schools is unfair.
At East Wake we are never in a conference with all Wake County Schools, but we always have at least three other Wake County schools near us in our conference. Send a couple of more with them - say Cary and Middle Creek, and Green Hope and Panther Creek will be fine with this decision.

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

I hope Nick will post a story on what the committee decides as soon as they announce. I wonder why they haven't posted anything up to this point? This would seem to be a natural HSOT story, especially since Basketball is over and baseball is just getting started. It's a kind of quiet time.

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

OLDTIMECOACH...I agree 100%!! I wrote the same exact thing last week. This is about nothing but GH & PC NOT wanting to play in Durham. I understand rivalries etc, but its about people who don't want to go to Durham. Oldtimecoach said it right, they are used to having their way!

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

To be honest, I don't think it has anything to do with constituencies at those two schools being told what to do. You hardly ever hear from these schools, especially on the message boards. And why does lazydawg58 appear to be SO upset. Make your points without all the venom coming thru. And really, is it that unreasonable to want to stay in your conference and keep your natural cross town and intra-county rivals? Isn't that what Harnett Central wants to do. The fact that the two schools are exhuasting all avenues of appeal and coming up with non-conventional thinking in the ways to present ideas to the NCHSAA seems to be rubbing some people the wrong way. Why? In all likelihood the state will deny their appeals to stay in the Tri-9, to form any one of the Mega Conferences, form 3A/4A conference in Durham or even look closely at the 3A ADM numbers(this would keep one of the current PAC members at 4A and eliminate the need to bring additional teams in). What if the state had said Cary and/or Leesville(who are just as accessible to Durham travel time wise as PC and GH) go to the PAC, would they have been wrong to exhaust all avenues of appeal? Let it play it, then get into the outrage if it is necessary. Chances are, it won't be. If it is, then rant until your heart is content, but to call names, put labels on a couple of communities and school officials for wanting to protect revenue and rivalries, c'mon.

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

The 14-team conference plan is/was a great "out of the box" idea to be able to have Panther Creek and Green Hope keep their natural rivalries and whatever other reasons they had for not wanting to switch conferences. However, I do not think it was a great idea, plan, or compromise that would benefit any school EXCEPT for Panther Creek and Green Hope.

Let's not forget that high school athletics does not only include football and basketball. There is no real plan for other sports. It has the potential to have too many restrictions (out of conference scheduling is one). I am glad that Hillside and Riverside has said no to this and hope the NCHSAA does as well.

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

Welcome GH and PC to the PAC-6...almost a done deal....waiting on MAY

RE: Panther Creek & Green Hope's Selfish Idea

olddb39- I think I'm making my points strongly but I don't think I've made them with venom. As the topic heading indicates I think it is a selfish idea. I have then proceeded to explain why I feel that way and pointed out the numerous negatives involved. It's my opinion with facts used to back it up. HCHS and the GNC have expressed a desire for them to stay where they are. In all likelihood that will not happen and they will be uprooted again after spending three years developing rivalries in that conference and learning to work with those schools. The Tri9 as it is proposed now will mean they will, as a school that is nearly 3A size, be playing against six of the largest schools in the state. But having Fuquay-Varina, one of HCHS's natural rivals, in the conference, and having reasonable travel distances with all the schools would seem to help make a not so ideal situation a little better.

The problem is when the athletes, parents and fans of my local school are facing the possibility of dealing with all the things I've mentioned and also forced to travel many additional miles and give up a number of opportunities to play out of conference games with other local (remember what is local to Harnett County isn't the same thing as what is local to Wake and Durham County) schools all to make sure that gate revenue and preservation of traditional rivalries for a couple of schools is preserved. That's my problem with it as best I can explain it.