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Nick Stevens

Football playoffs need reform

Published: 2011-11-03 01:05:00
Updated: 2011-11-03 13:25:53


Nov 3, 2011

Millbrook vs. Northern Durham (Sept. 9, 2011)

Charah Wheeler keeps the ball for a run during the Millbrook vs. Northern Durham game on September 9, 2011 in Durham, North Carolina.

When you say you made the playoffs, it's supposed to be an accomplishment. It's supposed to honor you for having a successful season.

When you make the the state playoffs in North Carolina, it means you might have won four games – maybe even less.

The N.C. High School Athletic Association needs to take a look at the way it selects teams and how it seeds them in the football state playoffs, and I have a solution.

Background

In order to understand what I'm about write, you need to understand the current playoff system. Here's how it works:

Step 1: In each conference, the top three teams get automatic bids into the state playoffs. In split conferences (1A/2A, 2A/3A, 3A/4A) the top two teams get automatic bids.

Step 2: Once the automatic qualifiers are determined, the remaining seats in the playoffs (64 total) are determined by overall record, then by conference winning percentage. All ties that cannot be broken by head-to-head competition are broken by a random draw.

Step 3: When the 64 qualifying teams are determined, the NCHSAA uses the Average Daily Membership (ADM) numbers to determine which teams go to which subdivision. For example, the 32 largest 4-A teams go to the 4-AA playoffs, while the 32 smallest 4-A teams go to the 4-A playoffs.

Step 4: After the 32 teams are identified for each subdivision, the NCHSAA uses the longitude of each school to determine which schools will go west and which will go east. The 16 schools whose longitudes are furthest to the east will go to the east, while the other 16 will go to the west.

Step 5: Once the teams are separated into their regions, the teams are seeded 1-16. All top seeds from their respective conferences are seeded in order of their record first, then all No. 2 teams, then all No. 3 teams. So, no team that finishes second in its conference can be seeded higher than a team that finishes first in a conference, etc. Once the automatic bids are seeded, then the at-large teams are seeded.

Step 6: After the teams are seeded 1-16, the NCHSAA goes back to the longitudes. In the east, the eight teams that are furthest east go into the east pod, while the other eight go into the mideast pod. The same is done in the west for the west and midwest pods.

Step 7: After the pods are determined, the teams are again seeded, this time 1-8.

Teams, teams, and more teams

The first issue I have with the state playoffs is the number of teams that are selected for the state playoffs. According to the NCHSAA website, there are 99 4-A teams, 97 3-A teams, 95 2-A teams, and 99 1-A teams – a total of 390 football teams in the state of North Carolina.

A total of 64 teams from each class make the playoffs. That means 256 (or 65.6 percent) of those 390 teams make the state playoffs. No joke. Two-thirds of the teams in the state play in the state playoffs each year.

When you have so many teams that make the state playoffs, you end up with teams in the playoffs that have no business being there.

At the 2-A and 4-A level, there are 22 teams with records of .500 or worse. There are 19 teams in the 3-A playoffs with records of .500 or worse. And at the 1-A level there are a whopping 34 teams with records of .500 or worse. That means more than half of the teams in the 1-A playoffs have won half of their games or less. HALF!

Under no circumstances does a team with two wins deserve to be in the state playoffs.

The NCHSAA needs to reduce the number of teams that make the playoffs in each classification.

Planting a bad seed

I was recently asked who I thought got the short end of the stick when it came to playoff seeding. My answer? Everybody.

Currently, the NCHSAA gives the top three teams in each conference automatic bids to the state playoffs. In split conferences (such as 3A/4A or 1A/2A conference) the top two teams get automatic bids. Under no circumstances can a team that finishes second in its conference be seeded above a team that finishes first. At the same time, no team that finishes third can be seeded about any second or first place team. And at-large teams? Well, they can't be seeded over any automatic qualifier.

What does that mean?

Well, Northern Durham 0-3-1 in non-conference play this year. The Knights played in a relatively weak PAC 6 Conference, and beat four conference opponents who had a combined record of 9-33. Northern finished third in the league, claiming an automatic bid to the state playoffs with a 4-5-1 record.

That's not all. Northern Durham will host Southeast Guilford in the first round. The Falcons have a 6-4 record – a winning record. Southeast Guilford was an at-large team in the playoffs though, so they cannot be seeded above Northern Durham.

It's fundamentally wrong to have a team with a losing record in the state playoffs. It's absolutely unacceptable to have a team with a losing record hosting a home game!

The seeding issues don't stop there though. They continue, thanks to... you guess it, the pod system.

Break the pod

It's no secret. I hate the pod system.

I have many issues with the pod system, but a major one is the fact that the pod system continues the seeding issues that we see in the NCHSAA state playoffs.

After they determine who goes to the east and the west regions, the NCHSAA seeds the teams from No. 1 to No. 16. But those seeds mean absolutely nothing until you get to the regional final.

The regions are just the first geographical determination made by the NCHSAA. After the regions are determined, the pods are determined. The teams are split into two groups of eight based on geography. The eight teams furthest to the east go to the east pod, the next eight go to the mideast. The same thing happens in the west and midwest pods.

After teams are put into their pods, they're seeded again from No. 1 to No. 8. There is no regard for the original seeds.

What does this mean?

It means we have teams playing teams they shouldn't be playing in the first round. For example, Cary got the No. 7 seed in the 4-AA East Region. In any normal tournament, they'd play the No. 10 seed, which in this case is Seventy-First. But instead of playing a 4-6 team, the Imps are playing a 7-3 Lumberton team that earned a No. 9 seed. These types of discrepancies can be seen across all divisions in the NCHSAA playoffs.

Here's another example. 9-1 Gray's Creek earned the No. 6 seed in the 3-AA East Region which means it should be playing the No. 11 seed, 6-4 Asheboro. Instead, Gray's Creek will be playing No. 7 Nash Central, a team that finished with an 8-2 record. Gray's Creek and Nash Central worked hard to get a winnable playoff game in the first round. In fact, Nash Central with a No. 7 seed would get a home game in the first round of any normal 16-team bracket.

Meanwhile, in the same 3-AA playoff, 4-6 Forestview has the No. 7 seed in the West Region and will host 4-6 Kings Mountain, the No. 14 seed.

There's another No.7 vs. No. 8 game in the 2-A playoffs where East Duplin (8-2) will host two-time defending state champion Tarboro (8-2) in the first round.

This is not a fair way to seed your playoffs.

The seeding isn't my only issue with the dreaded pod system though.

When the NCHSAA creates conferences during each realignment process, they do so based on geography. It makes sense. You want schools that are close in proximity to play one another in a conference. It keeps them from traveling too far, and it creates natural rivalries. No argument there from me.

At the same time, you allow 64 teams in the playoffs, and you break them up into eight-team pods which are determined by geography.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist (obviously, since I figured it out) to understand that if you seed your playoffs with the same geographical criteria that you create conferences with, you're going to end up with miniature conference tournaments.

And that's what we're seeing - particularly at the 4-A level.

In the 4-AA East Pod, it is possible for a Cap 8 team to go to the regional final without playing a single team from outside the Cap 8 Conference. That's ridiculous, and it defeats the purpose of a STATE playoff.

The same thing can be said for Panther Creek and Middle Creek in the 4-AA Mideast Pod. Those two teams could go through to the regional final without playing a single team from outside the Tri-9. And that's just as ridiculous.

I've interviewed over two dozen coaches over the last several days - coaches from all sizes of schools from 1-A to 4-A - and they all agreed on something: the pod system is a bad thing. Seriously. I haven't spoken to a single coach yet this week that supports the pod system. I'm not exaggerating.

If the NCHSAA doesn't change anything else, this is the one thing that needs to go. We need to lose the pod system!

My solution

More Info     Nick Stevens' proposed 4-A state playoffs I don't think it's fair to point out flaws in something and not provide your own solution, so that's what I've done. It's quite simple too.

Step 1: All conference champions get automatic bids to the state playoffs.

Step 2: After the conference champions are seeded in order of overall record and conference winning percentage, we fill the rest of the playoffs with at-large bids sorted by overall wins and conference winning percentage. A total of 32 teams from each class will make the state playoffs.

Step 3: After the 32 qualifying teams are determined, the teams are divided into East and West Regions based on longitude.

Step 4: Teams are seed 1-16. Highest seeded team is the home team.

What does this mean? It means no more sub-divided playoffs, no more pod system, and no more losing records in the playoffs (except perhaps at the 1-A level).

What would it look like? Well, I redid the 4-A playoffs based on this criteria, so have a look.

This will never happen. I'm not naive, but if Nick Stevens were in charge of the NCHSAA, this is what the playoffs would look like in football.

If the NCHSAA would make a few changes though, I'd be happy. The first change, drop the pod system all together. Wash your hands of it, and forget it ever happened. Then, midway through the next realignment (2015 season) let's add a 5A class and drop the subdivisions.

The current playoff system awards teams that don't deserve playoff bids and isn't fair to those who have fought all season for good seeds and home games.

Not everyone deserves to be in the playoffs. The state playoffs are supposed to determine a state champion, not be a source of an extra game for average teams.

If you have feedback, I'd love to hear it. Send me an email to nstevens@wral.com or tweet me @HighSchoolOT.

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It seems to be a common compliment from this website ... the way playoffs are run. I agree they are screwy and I very much agree with your suggestions; they are good. However, its very easy to make suggestions for improvement and to find faults when you are on the outside looking in. We have no idea what kind of pressures and "motivations" they are facing when making decisions. Nick, if you think you have a lot to offer (I think you do) maybe you should put yourself in a position where you can help make those decisions instead of time after time posting and voicing the same complaints ... do something with them because they are good ideas.
footballfanatic914
November 3, 2011 12:46 p.m.
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I think it gives a lot of teams a chance to win a state title. Now will a 3-7 team ever win one? I doubt it! But the opportunity is there. You can't make everybody happy!
dsims100758
November 3, 2011 12:33 p.m.
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I agree with Nick and yes there is no perfect plan but let's also look at what it does for the 1A and 2A. They end up having to travel great distances in 2nd and 3rd rounds and then since they are a small school, the basketball and even the wrestling teams suffer because most of the starters are still playing football. If the football team has a losing conference record, (some schools play up levels for non conference games due to closeness and to help their team learn and improve for conference games), then is it really beneficial economically to play these "extra" playoff games. Are we playing for the championship of the world or are we just trying to make more money, when in reality we are probably losing because the athletes are getting out of school early to travel these distances. What about the student first then athlete?
hshaw37
November 3, 2011 10:18 a.m.
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I agree...The HS state playoffs have become a JOKE...it's like EVERYBODY makes the playoffs!
wake_up_jeff_0
November 3, 2011 9:48 a.m.
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Great article Nick! Many great points made, but there is also another important point. Cost. By sending this many schools to the playoffs, especially the ones with losing recfords, cost the school and the State of NC money. The State continues to cut money form the schools and asked them to cut spending. How does cutting spending factor into sending a 2-8 football team 2 hours up the road to play a 10-0 team who waxes the floor with them and sends them how beaten and broke. What financial gain did the 2-8 team get? Probably none. Another reason why the playoffs need to be revamped. I was as shocked as you were when I looked at the brackets and saw the overwhelming number of below .500 teams in the playoffs and the distance some of them would have to travel.
dgaylord1
November 3, 2011 8:35 a.m.
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GREAT POST NICK!! I THINK YOUR BRACKET IS GREAT! THE PLAYOFFS HAVE BECOME POLITICAL AND ABOUT MONEY!!
olecoach378
November 3, 2011 8:25 a.m.
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The problem with your argument is scheduling for small schools. The expanded/divided playoffs were given to the 1A schools to enable smaller schools to have a fair opponent. Jamesville HS won the state title under the old system in the mid 1980's, but no other school with minute enrollments has made a serious challenge since. At the time they voted to expand, I was at a 3A sized school. Everyone (NCHSAA included) got greedy. They immediately applied it to all four classes.

If a small school has to play the 3A and 2A schools in its area non-conference just to pay their bills, they usually lose the games. They get banged up. In their league, if they finish in the top three schools, they have a right to be in. I have coached a 16th seed and defeated a number one seed. Those kids deserved to play in November regardless of what happened while playing their schedule in August and September. For the 4A's, I agree with you....too many qualify. The solution is 6 playoff classes.
flemingjames
November 3, 2011 7:43 a.m.
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I think the extra divisions by ADM numbers should remain in the playoffs but every other recommendation you make is good. Reduce the playoffs by one round, conf champs only auto bids, everyone else makes it based on seeding by some combo of w-l, strength of schedule and polls. Some 7 win schools may end up tying for a spot and lose out due to coin toss, but that's far better than losing teams making the playoffs. In some case geographical matchups couldn't be arranged - but it's the playoffs - a 3-4 hour road trip is expected at some point and isn't that big of a deal for HS athletes.
scousler
November 3, 2011 5:41 a.m.
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I also agree but the state playoffs are no longer about rewarding good teams its about the all powerful dollar. The kids have been lost in the system. and its only going to get worse. with ESPN showing high school games now the sport is heading down the same road as college football and i'm not sure thats a good thing. I like yor bracket no teams with less then seven wins that the way it should be.
dmurphy2002
November 3, 2011 4:07 a.m.
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I agree the football playoffs are a joke these days seems like its all about money now. I remember back in 1999 I was an asst coach at CHHS and we were one of the top teams in the state playing in the PAC 6 conference with then powerhouse Northern Durham who we beat. That season we went 9-1-1 actually ended up in a three way tie for the conference title and did not make the playoffs because the only took 2 teams to the playoffs. They drew straws to determine who went to the playoffs and ND and Durham Jordan got the longer straws unbelievable... smh but we had to deal with it.
juliowilliams
November 3, 2011 2:06 a.m.
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