Coaches GONE Wild!

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  • BallGuru26 Feb 28, 2013
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    Most of the coaches that I've interacted with and worked with coach the player not the person. I feel like the kid is the only one who is hurt when a parent makes comments or emails coaches, the kids can't understand that the coach isn't going to hold a grudge against that kid. The best players play its simple math. Every coach has their own style some are more aggressive than others if the kids can't handle that style or adapt then the school might not be for the kid.

  • ILuvBBALL Feb 28, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    hsfootballraleigh out of respect for everyone involved and Nick asking that I not post the name or comment here, I won't do that. And lbeck37439 I'm 100% sure that the Coach can handle his/herself, however when you factor in children, it makes it a little bit more harder to swallow. A lot of kids don't handle adversity well, heck a lot of adults don't handle it well. At the end of the day, everyone involved directly or indirectly need to be mindful of how and what you say about children! JMO as well!

  • lbeck37439 Feb 26, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I think the coach, whos been verbually attacked can take care of his/herself.JMO

  • hsfootballraleigh Feb 26, 2013
    All Star

    Ibeck you nailed it, but IluvBasketball AAU can lead up to issues, coaching aau myself, I have been disgusted with few local programs. But in which I do agree that many programs need to be evaluated, which is not a parents job. And what did the coach say to the other coach, im just curious.

  • ILuvBBALL Feb 26, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    Clearly, this thread took a turn in the wrong direction somewhere! This thread was created to say, I'm in disbelief how a particular Coach has made it their personal business to VERBUALLY try to tear down a Coach and his players! It doesn't matter if their feelings were hurt, no parents were involved, AAU is not an issue or any of that. It simply means that Coaches need to be more professional and need to be held at a higher standard. Yes, we know that SOME parents are OUT of CONTROL, that's a whole other topic of discussion! SOME of these athletic programs need to be evaluated, and the decision to hire a Coach or AD need not be done over a martini or the good ole' boy system!

  • lbeck37439 Feb 26, 2013
    Sports Legend

    Just because you go complain, doesnt mean anything going to be done. 75% of the time its the parents that are the problem. They think little johnny is going to tbe next MJ, or little Johnny was talked to ugly. The bottom line its the Coaches team not the parents or the AAU coaches (that most of them are always telling the parents that their kids high school coach doesnt know what hes doing).

  • looseygoosey42 Feb 26, 2013
    Towel Boy

    Liberal, master of of the obvious huh. The truth is it is all interconnected, but your statement is correct. If a school wants you to coach they will create a teaching position for you. If you are a problem or they want "their coach" they ship you out with the next chance they get. JV coach in the area got pushed out of county because of poor behavior and is now in another county. 6 months before tenure. Why because they could and he had a well documented file of complaints. Other coach in southern Wake County with outrageously poor behavior, sportsmanship, continue to coach with 20+ years in...untouchable because no one had every filed a complaint. People complain on here and think that spearheads a call for change.

  • lbeck37439 Feb 25, 2013
    Sports Legend

    DID SOMEONES FEELING GET HURT

  • georgecostanza Feb 25, 2013
    Veteran

    looseygoosey, there is no tenure for coaching. duh.

  • ILuvBBALL Feb 25, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    Bad Boyz and looseygoosey42, I understand all that you are saying, but when a Coach from an opposing school flat out direspects a Coach and his team, there is a line to be drawn. I'm not talking about Coaches or AD having backbones! I'm talking about an area Coach who has talked about another Coach and his team like they were dogs and made crude remarks about players on his team! It's really time for some change in these schools...

  • Bad Azz Boyz Feb 22, 2013
    Pro

    Coaching is a difficult position. But to get get respect you have to earn it, just because you have a position doesn't make you right and give you a pass on people quesstioning your decisions. This is America andif a person disagrees with how something is done it is not a problem for them to voice their opinion or concern. The issue is the manner in which the speak their mind. If you are going to ask administration or any govening body to protect coaches from being questioned about the choices/decsions they make, that isn't possible. You can't please everyone, always gonna be those who feel like things should be done differently. The most successful coaches, don't have to respond to naysayers becasue the work they do speaks for itself.

  • looseygoosey42 Feb 22, 2013
    Towel Boy

    The underlying issue here is tenure. The fear of litigation has always had the whole county bass aackwards. They don't want to rock the boat, even if the truth is right in front of them. Teachers and coaches who have 15+ yrs and have grown lazy (the majority) and no longer want to contribute in a meaningful way to education are just accepted. Good men get pushed out of teaching and coaching positions just so a poor tenured teacher (a lemon they"re called) finish out his "time". Spineless AD's don't stand up because they don't want to be "that guy", so they perpetuate the cycle over and over again.

    Unless they have had their file updated routinely with complaints, write-ups etc... they are untouchable unless they really cross the line. Can you imagine fighting a "good ol' boy" administration and putting the 1st complaint in a file of a 20 yr veteran teacher.....that teacher, coach's life would be made miserable until they're gone....

  • ILuvBBALL Feb 22, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    It's okay hsfootballraleigh I knew where you were going with it. Right now, I'm hoping that the necessary people do read this blog and take a stance on cleaing up the unprofessionalism with some of these Coaches and AD's. As Nick stated, its not about the money, because we all know that unless you have YEARS in the school system or an Administrator, you don't make NO money Coaching or teaching.. These people have allowed their positions to go to the head, and made this a cut throat business, when it shouldnt be like that.

  • warriorpop Feb 22, 2013
    All Star

    I wish Wake County, and all other counties, for that matter, would improve the overall atmosphere in high school sports. Yes, AD's should insist on professional decorum from all coaches. Student athletes can be corrected, but there should be respect. Opponents should be respected, as well as game officials.
    That said, coaches are about 10% of the problem, with parents and fans representing 90%. AD's, backed by Principals, should insist that parental issues with coaches be discussed by scheduled appointments. In the stands, adults should be expected to respect the coaches that lead their teams. When in the heat of the moment, a parent gets loud about a coach, player, or ref, a gentle reminder regarding sportsmanship should suffice. But, persistent problems should lead to the dismissal of any adult who refuses to respect the athletes, coaches, and game officials. If you don't like this standard of conduct and refuse to live by it, then fine, your kids can play AAU ball or anywhere where yelling at coaches and players is considered reasonable adult behavior. But, it should not be tolerated in our schools. We adults should police one another and encourage positive support of high school kids. When that doesn't work, let school officials show their backbone and remove those who have made the atmosphere at so many sporting events so tense it takes the joy of competing away from the kids.

  • hsfootballraleigh Feb 22, 2013
    All Star

    It makes me relook my comment, I misused 'corrupt'. but having coached aau basketball and high school football, It is very easy to blame the coach, but in some instances players or parents can see what the coach doesnt see(or doesnt chose to see)

  • tojanakany Feb 22, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    Excellently stated!!!

  • ILuvBBALL Feb 22, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    @liberalismisadisorder, I agree with you whole heartly. However, when a player is awarded the opportunity to play on the college level thats basically a business. These high school coaches over step so many boundaries, they loose sight of what the real purpose is and what impact they may have on a child.

    Even if you'll disagree with me, yes the bottom line is, winning! But thats not the only thing a Coach should concentrate on. What about teaching the player values of the game, respect for the game, being loyal to the TEAM as well as themselves. You can't teach that if you don't display that characteristic.

    I will continue to stand on the fact that Wake Co needs to shake up some of these AD's and Coaches, they think that they are untouchable! If your program looses STAR athletes several seasons in a row, you have multiple complaints aganist you, why no one wants to play for you, or why you don't have enough players to make up a team, then your program needs to be looked upon.

  • georgecostanza Feb 22, 2013
    Veteran

    .....oh and I forgot the fine example some of the posters on this forum are as well...

  • georgecostanza Feb 22, 2013
    Veteran

    I agree, after all with such fine examples as local, state and national leaders, college coaches, professional athletes, college players, student sections, and most of all parents I find it hard to believe coaches can be so....."disrespectful". Pot meet kettle.

  • ILuvBBALL Feb 21, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    Okay, let me clarify my post as best I can without naming any names with all due respect to all involved! Never did I say anything about "corruptness" I said that Coaches should NEVER get so personally involved to the fact that they HATE a player(s) or another Coach because of their accomplishments..

    Coaches calling players out of their name, disrespecting each other(Coaches) and personally making it a point to slander another Coach and their Program is ridiculious!

    @kmagnusson this had nothing to do with a player being spoiled or disrespectful, this POST was based on how a Coach has PERSONALLY disrespected a Coach and the players!

    I'm sticking to my view point that Wake Co. Schools need to be cleaned up of some of these AD's and Coaches.

    @ Nick Stevens no one is blaming a Coach for how they treated a player from their team, but on the sole basis of how a Coach has continuesly disrespected a Coach and the players.

  • kmagnusson Feb 21, 2013
    Sports Legend

    As a fan I see a lot of spoiled players who ignore instructions from the coach during timeouts. They are looking everywhere but at the coach. They come out of the game sulking and throwing tantrums. Coaches do need to lead by example and the kids need to respect authority. However a lot of players I've observed seem to believe the world revolves around them and have no recognization of authority.

  • Nick Stevens Feb 21, 2013
    Sports Legend

    I think it's really easy to blame a coach for stuff.

    Parents, trainers, family members, club coaches, etc are focused in on one specific player. The coach of the team has to be focused in on the entire team. The coach coaches the TEAM. No coach is going to make a decision that he thinks is detrimental to the team. Period.

    I don't know the specific situation (and please do not post it on here), but I am always going to be skeptical of claims of "corrupt" coaches, etc. Corruption usually happens because of money or power, there's not much of either to go around in high school athletics.

  • basketballfanNC Feb 21, 2013
    Rookie

    Totally Agree!

  • hsfootballraleigh Feb 21, 2013
    All Star

    This happened to a kid I trained, because of his parents comments, he lost his starting spot. Many coaching programs can get corrupt.

  • BallerMom Feb 21, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    AGREED

  • cutty102306 Feb 21, 2013
    All Star

    PREACH

  • ILuvBBALL Feb 21, 2013
    Bench Warmer

    I cannot believe some information that I was just told about how some of these HS Coaches act behind CLOSED doors! How can Coaches expect their players to show good sportmanship if they don't? Let me back this up, how are Coaches even appointed/selected/hired or giving their job. I know that some Coaches have it really hard from parents coming at them before/during/ and after games, but what is done about how they act? Why are coaches taking it so personal and hating on players and other Coaches. First of all, these are children, and as the kids say "don't hate the player, hate the game"! Secondly, aren't Coaches suppose to lead by example? I really think that there needs to be a SHAKE up in the system for some of these Coaches. If Deran Coe is as efficient as they say he is, I really think he needs to CLEAN up some of these athletic programs, starting right here in good ole Wake Co.!

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