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  • cleet23 Apr 10, 2014
    Bench Warmer

    Instead of SMH (does your neck hurt) maybe we should listen to sound advice. Probably should not talk about young people's college plans. If it makes you feel better just tell us so and so college coach likes Bojangles better than Burger King. That way we'll know you are IN with all the college coaches.

  • jjfanofhoops Apr 7, 2014
    Rookie

    Started a new post.

  • patriot087 Apr 4, 2014
    Towel Boy

    Thanks Silkyblue

  • Silkyblue Apr 3, 2014
    Veteran

    Had experience with it. Help get alot of contacts directly with coaches. Allows you to be able to communicate with college coaches directly without having to worry about AAU or High School coaches giving you information.

    Also teaches alot about the recruiting process that AAU and High School coaches may not know or just not telling you. 2 cents

  • patriot087 Mar 20, 2014
    Towel Boy

    Has anyone used the NCSA Athletic Recruiting service? If so, what has been your experience?

  • Silkyblue Mar 18, 2014
    Veteran

    I guess that why we are all on here entering responses! WE ARE ALL LITTLE PEOPLE! SMH!

  • cutty102306 Mar 18, 2014
    All Star

    evanstina91 - please disregard anything on this forum about TJ trianglehoopfan is right this forum gives little people an opportunity to run off at the mouth about someone's child when they know nothing about the kid at all. My kid played with TJ some years ago in AAU and we are proud of him no matter what school does or doesn't want him. Congrats to TJ and the whole APEX program for a job well done

  • cutty102306 Mar 18, 2014
    All Star

    I wasn't saying they don't have access to it but to the fact that a lot of high school coaches don't have the info ready for coaches which I have witnessed first hand in high schools. Make no mistake I wasn't giving either side an upper hand on recruiting but both have good and bad when it comes to the topic of recruiting. A lot of colleges learn real quick that SOME high school coaches don't have an understanding of recruitment so they find someone else connected to the kid who does. Yes only high school coaches have complete access to grades and transcripts but that's old thinking now...a parent can pull up grades on their iphone if need be and all a student has to do is walk to student services and retrieve their own unofficial transcript. I too had kids in GROAD and yes they received scholarships but I give the credit to God first and ALL of the coaches who coached my kids throughout their various sports. It takes a village when recruiting is the goal and a lot of people play various roles for each individual student-athlete.

  • trianglehoopfan Mar 18, 2014
    Pro

    evanstina91 - No need to worry. No one of any importance in the basketball world reads these forums. What anyone says about TJ in this forum will make no difference if he is recruited or not. Im sure its frustrating to read lies and misrepresentations about TJ but don't stress at all. Its just a bunch a HS hoop fanatics writing about the local HS hoops scene.

    These guys like Silkyblue write things about TJ to make themselves feel important. Unless he is in TJ's house I don't know how he can say, "For his hight most schools want him to be a 1, he only wants to be a 2. For the ones that have offered he just tells them Thanks for the love, but no thanks."

    TJ was a great HS player and was amazing on the road to winning the State Championship. One of my fav players in the last few years.

  • evanstina91 Mar 18, 2014
    Towel Boy

    Thank you I appreciate it...I just do not want stuff put out there that not 100% accurate, that he is denying offeres or being picky when that is not the case...he is trying to figure out what is best for him at the moment. An that really goes for to all athelets and things said about them on these posts.

  • Silkyblue Mar 18, 2014
    Veteran

    @ evanstina91 by no means am I or do I even intend to downgrade a student athlete. I do know TJ personally and I know you do also and even better, and personally I know he is one of if not the hardest working players I have seen in this area since I have lived here the last 10 years. I do know last year he has had TONS of interest and all of the sudden that interest has not been as great as before at least publicly.

    For whatever reason no one knows but the schools recruiting him. I also know two weeks ago I spoke to a coach that said they had alot of interest in him and he told them something along those lines. whether true or not, not sure that the coach had any reason to lie or he may have just paraphrased what he FELT he got from the conversation.

    As far as claims, I do know on Saturday and Sunday nights he was still working out on improving every aspect of his game and will probably be in the gym this weekend also doing the same thing. For this kid it literally is NO DAYS OFF! I wish other kids worked as hard as him.

    I wish nothing but the most for TJ and just hope he achieves him dream. He just checked one off last weekend! Now off to the next!

  • CoachK2 Mar 18, 2014
    All Star

    I appreciate TJ's game and remember when he was running with James Zimmerman/Tyree Mayo of Bull City Select. A great kid from what I remember. As a basketball junkie, recognizing his accomplishments while remaining loyal to Apex, I was just was interested in what school's were recruiting him.

    At the end of the day, after careful consideration, I'm sure he and his family will make the decision best suited for his future.

  • evanstina91 Mar 18, 2014
    Towel Boy

    Forgive me for saying what I said above out of frustration for seeing many things over the years written from people who state their assumptions as facts when they do not know 100% if its true and that includes many different people and many different subjects. Please consider the people that you are writing about when you posts things. If its your opinion than thats your opinion but if you do not not know 100% if its true, please do not write it. When TJ makes his decision, he will let everyone know. Thank you.

  • evanstina91 Mar 18, 2014
    Towel Boy

    I love how people claim to know absolutely everything on these posts but yet know absolutely nothing. TJ Evans has not turned down any offers nor has he ever said he only wants to only be a 2. He is currently exploring his options and when he decides what he wants to do, the people that matter will be the ones to know.

  • Silkyblue Mar 18, 2014
    Veteran

    @ dwest2 just saw your post. You right Facts R Facts, Way to claim credit for EVERYONE that played in GR, Way to claim the ones that played 8U with you for just one year that ended up at a D1 college, or 11-12U 1 year that even went on to play Pro ball. Yep all thanks to GR. Yeah over 200 kids, My boy played for GR 8U 1 year, I bet you will be claiming him next year!?!? Facts are Facts. I guess you don't claim the DTae situation in which you all wanted him to commit and sign to App State so you could use him to recruit for the program either, when it was never a good situation for him to start with. All everyone heard was "We got DTae signed with App STate" Yep, GR the perfect program! KUDOS! Next time you recruit for the GR try it without using JWall's Name since he only gives credit to D-ONE/PROSPECTS who he was with after that 1 year stint. Accountability is also a good trait to have also, try using that one! LOL!

    @ cutty102306 Please read you response again then you may see how slow you seem stating what the high school coaches don't have access too SMH! SMH! SMH! Yep GR the mecca for also! LOL!

    Your also right about the time GRoad spends on the phone, even when a kid is already signed to a school when it's illegal. I guess you still have alot to learn about NCAA rules! SMH!

    No program is perfect, people have come to GR, left and come back in many cases as they do with alot of programs. If you look at the major programs in the area, GROAD, JUICE, SEBL they numbers are the same for the times they have been around.

  • jjfanofhoops Mar 17, 2014
    Rookie

    I would not be surprised if some D1 offers come his way real soon.
    @CoachK2
    Well deserved his game has progressed. It was nice to see Neal give him props during the post game interview when focus was on Boyd and Evans. Class act.

  • Toddler10-21 Mar 16, 2014
    Veteran

    Me too. Where is TJ Evans going?

  • basketballfanNC Mar 12, 2014
    Rookie

    Any kid that wants to play a D1 or D2 sport has to be cleared with the NCAA Eligibility Center. This must happen before a recruit can even go on an official visit to the school much less receive an offer. Therefore any D1 or D2 school has access to transcripts, SAT & ACT scores very early in the recruiting process. They do not need to get these transcripts from the HS coach (not unless the player has not been cleared through the NCAA). I'm not saying that high school ball isn't important because I think all avenues can be a potential opportunity for a child gaining exposure. I believe any student athlete that wants to play at the next level should get as much experience as possible not only for the exposure but to improve their skills.

  • hoopsjunkie Mar 12, 2014
    Towel Boy

    As a former coach I know for a fact that college coaches do come to high schools and its recruiters that make suggestions or offer leads to college programs, so there is no need for them to visit schools at the end of the day its the college head coach that makes the decision on scholarships. Also colleges can't officially offer until they have received a transcript from the high school(chances are they won't offer someone that can't get accepted to their school). The one thing about high school ball is that it's the place colleges coaches must go to find out about a kids official academic records and if someone requests a transcript do you think the principals or guidance counselors or secretaries aren't going to share that info with the high school coaches? aau showcases talent, high school ball showcases talent that has met academic requirements. I personally can count on one hand the amount of players that have made it to any level playing just aau and no high school ball, but I know and have heard of a lot more that did it just playing high school... Are there bad high school coaches yes are there bad aau coaches yes, it hurts kids when everyone tries to validate which is best when in this day and age I think both play a part, because it can be misleading and alter the reality of the situation... not trying to bash aau coaches or praise high school coaches, but people need to be more respectful of the all the avenues a kid can take to achieve goals.

  • CoachK2 Mar 12, 2014
    All Star

    I just wanna know who's recruiting TJ Evans of Apex? The lefty has had a great 4 years at Apex and only Apex. A lot of kids elect to transfer nowadays.... He's remained loyal and has seen his game progress over the years.

  • cutty102306 Mar 12, 2014
    All Star

    GROAD doesn't need to explain a thing on this board the program speaks for itself. My kids were a part of this organization and I saw first hand the opportunities that this program brings to the table. High school staffs don't or won't take the time this program does when it comes to recruiting. That's the biggest beef that no one will talk about in which GROAD spends a lot of time whether by phone, tournament, or just giving recruiters accurate insight into these kids. West, West, Chris, Theo, Coleman to name a few have helped kids get recruited for years and have a who's who of coaches in their phones that they can call anytime to speak about their kids unlike high school coaches who are in class during the day when most recruiters need info. For example why would a recruiter walk into a school when the so called coach doesn't have transcripts, know what class the kid is in, or just be able to give accurate info at the drop of a hat, not to say AAU coaches have complete access to this info but it's just easier to come to tourney and talk to mom, dad, coach, and athlete at the same time. Respect to all coaches who assist in the recruitment of their athletes but to come on here like boo GROAD man please!

  • dwest2 Mar 11, 2014
    Towel Boy

    This is in response to Silkyblue. Cynicism becomes ignorance when trying to make a point without all the facts. The names stated were of recent years so people could be familiar and relate. You, in your ingenious way extrapolated out the .03 brilliantly but you only used the sample size. We actually have over 200 (231 to be exact) documented athletes that received D1 or D2 scholarships. I KNOW our average is 9.625 scholarships athletes per year. In our 2013 class, we had 9 out of 9 receive scholarships. There isn't an organization in NC and very few in the country that can say that. We do what we do for the kids and their families and respect all others that do it the right way. We love you in spite of! #OurTruth

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 28, 2014
    Veteran

    Antonio Stabler-Wakefield-Queens University-Pro Ball in Germany.

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 27, 2014
    Veteran

    People around here can care less about the homegrown kids unless they play for UNC/Duke!!! Remember when John Wall made the allstar team and won the dunk contest people cared less. But if Harrison Barnes had won it the keyboards would have been on fire!!

  • Toddler10-21 Feb 27, 2014
    Veteran

    Prince Williams-ECU, Emanuel "Poobie" Chapman all time assist record at NCCU, Dez Wells-Maryland, Bishop Daniels-Rutgers, Rodney Purvis-UCONN, Josh Newkirk-Pitt, Josh Davis-San Diego State. All of these kids are from Raleigh. Who will be the next to live their NBA dream?

  • Garner Road Basketball Club Feb 25, 2014
    Towel Boy

    This is the original question "In basketball, how are most recruited players found? Is it through the high school or via the AAU circuit?" This is our response "For our kids it has been the Grassroots exposure. Our kids get the attention during the spring and summer and once they get to High School season they already have offers or serious interest" So how did we start talking about who is the best program in the state and who getting shout outs and who don't. Us naming names is to point out the fact that the kids earned their scholarships through grassroots not to boast or brag. We respect all clubs in our state and all the people that are committed to helping kids. We are a vehicle for kids that want to play ball and learn the game.

  • Silkyblue Feb 25, 2014
    Veteran

    AAU/Grassroots are becoming the biggest money pit in the triangle. People kill me on these boards. Ring off 15 names out of 2000+ kids in 24 years! WOW! That is a feat of accomplishment for a program! WCBA has gotten .04 to schools so I guess we can consider them a powerhouse basketball program also? LOL!

    So pretty much your boasting about getting .03 kids to college from a "Powerhouse" grassroots/AAU program?!?!

    I bet John Wall & Brian Clifton of D-ONE SPORTS even gives you a shout out from when he played with you? Anytime I've heard him interview about AAU he only mentions D ONE SPORTS. I Wonder Why?

    That's sure is some good pudding right there! .03 kids in 24 years! LOL!

  • just brian Feb 25, 2014
    All Star

    I have watched some AAU games and although there is talent, none of them teach defense or how to pass the ball.

    To me, it looked like teams full of stat monsters only worried about getting seen.

    I am of the opinion that if you are good, you will get found.

  • lbeck37439 Feb 24, 2014
    Sports Legend

    Lots of guys are making money and the kids are not getting any better. The Top teams, those players were good before they got there.

  • Silkyblue Feb 24, 2014
    Veteran

    AMEN lbeck37439, AAU has become about stacking teams with just trying to run other teams out the gym. NO Fundamentals, just run and gun ball. There is a reason why each year more players are getting drafted from overseas. The numbers don't lie.

  • david in smithfield Feb 23, 2014
    Rookie

    CP3 is the best aau program in the state. good talent and good coaching. The coaching / skill development at garner rd leaves alot to be desired. Isaiah Hicks great example. Doesn't have a clue how to play defense, fouled out in 10 minutes v wake. If you can't guard wake, you've got no chance against the best teams in the league. The same deficiency has kept Anton Gill on the bench at Louisville.

  • lbeck37439 Feb 17, 2014
    Sports Legend

    http://www.businessinsider.com/kobe-bryant-slams-aau-2013-10

  • bruiser mcgee Feb 16, 2014
    Pro

    Ricky Council actually has 13 offers...

    Various ways that colleges hear about kids:
    AAU is a big way, especially on the national showcase circuits (shoe sponsored teams). If you are not able to get on a "Shoe Team" make sure your team attends event that will be well attended. Know the live periods and make sure you are in good events during them. Try out for multiple teams, also...

    Local and Regional Scouts play a major factor in kids being seen. These guys have schools that subscribe to their service and talk with college coaches on a daily basis, regionally guys like Phenom Hoops and Bob Gibbons and locally guys Mike Talbott and Bob Smith. For the people who say "they will find you" these guys are typically reasons why.

    Showcase events are a big way to get your name out. The good ones are well covered by many scouts. With the rules so strict on D1 schools, the amount of scouts in attendance is paramount to get your name circulated. Also, D2, D3, NAIA, and JUCO coaches have more lenient restrictions. A camp that brings them in, is good as well...

    To say that colleges do not watch Youtube is simply not true.

    Much of this stuff is done behind the scenes and will never be known to the general public.

  • cantbustem Feb 14, 2014
    Sports Legend

    YAWN

  • cutty102306 Feb 14, 2014
    All Star

    GRoad

  • Garner Road Basketball Club Feb 14, 2014
    Towel Boy

    For our kids it has been the Grassroots exposure. Our kids get the attention during the spring and summer and once they get to High School season they already have offers or serious interest. High School helps our kids stand out from the other players on their team that is not gaining the experience of an competitive Grassroots season. High School season gives our kids local main stream coverage like High School OT. Our kids have been blessed to receive both local and national attention. I have a list of our kids that I know because of Grassroots season they are at D1 colleges:

    TJ Warren - NC State, Terry Henderson - West Virgina, Denzel Ingram - Charlotte
    Anton Gill - Louisville, Isaiah Hicks - UNC, Tyrone Outlaw - UNC-G,
    Quinton Ray - Campbell, Aaron Tate - Oral Roberts, Garrius Adams - Miami,
    Tom Tankelewicz - Western Carolina, Isaac Copeland - Georgetown - Remember Isaac lost a whole season at Ravenscroft, Austin Burnette - Rutgers,
    Cam Gottfried - Sienea, Ashley Williams - Western Carolina

    and we have two NBA players in David West and John Wall!!! More to come!!! Proof is in the pudding. We have the next wave of kids coming too:

    Juan Munoz - Panther Creek, Cory Gensler - Cary, Jashaun Smith - Garner, Julius Barnes - Garner, Thomas Allen - Garner, Alex Reed - Garner, Nick Kuhns - Garner,
    Alex Hunter - Leesville, Jerome Robinson - Broughton, Josh Carlton - South Central
    Logan Vosburg - Cedar Ridge, anthony Staton - Harnett Central

    Just to name a few!!! Its not hard to figure out. We been doing it for 24 years.

  • BallisLife Feb 5, 2014
    Towel Boy

    I think people get "AAU" basketball and travel/showcase/exposure basketball mixed up. Not everyone that goes to showcases and plays travel basketball plays AAU.

  • Dotb5ball Feb 4, 2014
    Towel Boy

    If you are good enough to play high major ball you will be found. Otto Porter, top 3 NBA draft pick, never played AAU ball. Lived in the Midwest and played only high school ball for his dad who was the coach. Obviously he was good enough and Gtown found him.

    If you are a low D1 or a D2/D3 guy a combination of everything helps. High school coaches can reach out to contacts they have at smaller colleges. That's why it is good if the high school staff has some sort of Bball experience/connections with college programs. Also getting out and playing at AAU events, team camps that colleges might host on campus etc.

  • jrockman68 Feb 4, 2014
    Towel Boy

    R Council has some offers..don't be surprise if he signs big-time in the late signing period..stay tune!! http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/colleges/x1385733157/McDonalds-snub-motivates-Northern-High-star-Ricky-Council

  • CoachK2 Feb 4, 2014
    All Star

    Yeah, Gary Clark playing in Nike EYBL with CP3 was big for his recruitment! Then those scouts come see him at Clayton dominating is what generates the offers!

    Showcases are major too.

    Wayment! Did you say Ricky Council has NO offers? How about Apex' TJ Evans?

  • sweetnsour13 Feb 4, 2014
    Pro

    Good points. So,what is the role of the high school coach in recruiting? To spark the interest (send film, cold calls to programs) or assist after a college becomes interested?

    I don't want to limit this to D1 schools. This is any college that offer athletic scholarships in basketball.

  • dcz Feb 4, 2014
    Rookie

    college coaches don't use utube videos to identify players. i can make a highlight video of anyone and make them look D1

  • jjfanofhoops Feb 4, 2014
    Rookie

    Clark's play with CP3 is what got him the offer and got him National Attention.
    He was huge at this past summers Nike Peach Jam.

  • hsfootballraleigh Feb 4, 2014
    All Star

    *their

  • hsfootballraleigh Feb 4, 2014
    All Star

    All I know is in this area if youre good enough they'll find you. But all the top espn recruits are constantly at camps, showcases and tournaments. Look at what the holliday tournament did for Dennis Smith Jr. Got the sophomore and offer from NCSU.

    Recruits needs video on the internet for people to pass around how good he is. Go pick a random top ranked espn recruit, type his name on youtube and see all the videos come up.

    Then you look at Northern's senior Ricky Council, who I think is in the top 10 in the state, he has no offers and you look him up on youtube, theres like 1 video and its not just him its a team.

    You particularly asked how are players found, the players need to get videos out there to catch attention. They need to play in exposure at showcases etc.

    The biggest way to get noticed is simply... to have something rare. If you're a 6'4 post player because you're the biggest on your team, you better develop a mid-range and perimeter game. You have people like Jabari Parker who are 6'8 230lbs and can handle the ball better than most point guards, shoot better than most shooting guards and rebound better than most post.

    BOTTOM LINE: Former Wolfpack basketball player Avie Lester once told me, if you are a divison 1 prospect, they will find you, whether its from a friend's brother's in-law, or a scout just so happened to walk in your game to watch someone on the opposing team.

    I wish the kids in our area had more national exposure, the kids in the triangle can ball, ask Kentucky Commit Devin Booker and the #1 Sophomore Seventh Woods, theyre teams lost to every wake team they played at the holliday tournament.

  • sweetnsour13 Feb 4, 2014
    Pro

    In basketball, how are most recruited players found? Is it through the high school or via the AAU circuit?

    For example, did Cincinnati find Gary Clark through Clayton HS or was interest first generated in him during play on the AAU circuit?

    Trying to get a general sense with some of your experiences, thoughts, and opinions.

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