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  • dcz Jan 3, 2013
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    why couldn't copeland reclassify. kids who transfer in always do

  • mikepalmercfp Jan 3, 2013
    Towel Boy

    There's a lot that Randy purports as "truths" that simply aren't so. I coached Isaac Copeland, Cam Gottfried and Chris Corchiani in AAU. I know their respective situations. Isaac was recovering from a serious injury most of last school season. I would agree he should have played more late in the year, but he didn't leave Ravenscroft acrimoniously. He doesn't turn 18 until June 13, very young for his grade. It made sense for him to reclassify, something that wasn't really an option at Ravenscroft. Corchiani Sr is the furthest thing from a "little league" parent that you will encounter. Little Chris started every game at BHS last season. It's absurd for anyone to suggest that he left because he didn't want to compete for playing time. Sounds like something floated by an insecure coach hoping to deflect scrutiny from their ability (or lack thereof). I can say with 100% certainty that it would be a HUGE mistake to infer that Cam's presence at BHS is in any way an endorsement by his father of the coaching there.

  • six72000 Jan 3, 2013
    Pro

    Well gentleman i am going to allow you guys to argue those points. My point was that the gentleman from broughton didnt do well over the holiday break in two games that they were in great position to win. Cam did and does play for Garner rd Elite. I know my son plays on the 2 time state championship team and nation's top 5 team in 6th grade. Where does my knowledge of the game come from...i played Division I basketball and have been courted to coach a few programs which i have declined most recently at Northeast Oklahoma State with my collegiate coach. So i am only grading if you will broughton's head man on a basketball basis. Its great if he is teaching intangibles and character among other quality things other than basketball. In my humble opinion it takes more than that to compete at the highest level against great competition and come out with a win. As far as kids leaving his program there could be a number of reasons but Billerman has suffered loses to his program as well.

  • wendellboy10 Jan 2, 2013
    Pro

    Carlbunns: fact check, Wall also was at Garner and left. Don't want to get into the argument, just throwing that fact in.

  • randythorntonv3 Jan 2, 2013
    Rookie

    Carl, where did little Luke start and how much playing time does he see at the great academic institution.

    And you are right Carl, I do not need to be talking or responding to someone without a clue like you.

    So you think Wall reclassifying is what helped him huh? Not his unbelievable ability.

    And going from Broughton to Ravenscroft is not like going to WOG or Oak Hill.

    Get back to me when you find that clue Carl.

  • carlbunns05 Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

    Left off a prime example a guy who went from broughton to Rvaenscroft and that's of course Luke Davis. Where is he now little man? UNC

  • carlbunns05 Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

    First of all I don't even think I should continue talking to someone do ignorant and misinformed but my conscious is making me for the kids sake.

    They have arguably the toughest schedule in the state, playing Wesleyen (who has theo pinson 5 star, jaquell Richmond 3 star, Harry Giles 5 star top 5 2015, chapman a VMI commit. They play High point Christian who has 4 D1 players to already sign, Greensboro day with 3 d1 signees,Providence day with a Davidson commit, And a very talented greenfield team. You saying "color me not impressed" just tells me you have no idea which teams are good and which arent, like I said I shouldn't be arguing with someone so un informed.

    And why does being a son of an ACC great have anything to do with them being seen? LOL there is noisy names on the jersey in high school now a days my man there just another player.

    About Wall he got cut from broughton then went to Word Of god and reclassed and that's it. Could he compete with his competition? Yes. What about Josh Newkirk? Reclassed and look at him now going to Pitt. What about Madison Jones? Reclassed and look at him now at Wake. Tyler Lewis? Reclassed now at Nc state. The list goes on.

    Next?

  • randythorntonv3 Jan 2, 2013
    Rookie

    Carl, looked at Ravenscrofts schedule. Color me not impressed.

    And you gave one reason for reclassifying, I gave two. Next??

    And if these kids are so good and are the sons of a former ACC great I would think they would be seen more than other kids. Next??

    And lastly, tell me about John Walls HS academics and how many HS's he attended.

    You have very selective opinions. Not very impressed with your reasoning.

  • carlbunns05 Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

    And have you looked at the Ravenscroft schedule?? Proabably not, their schedule is elite probably one of the best schedules in the state THAT is why the record is how it is, also they are very young. Next?

  • carlbunns05 Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

    No you are so wrong it is kind of funny actually. You reclass do you can have an extra year on the AAU, an extra year to play basketball, an extra year to be seen. John wall reclassed just a common example many other, almost every private school player reclassed for those reasons not your uneducated ones bud

  • randythorntonv3 Jan 2, 2013
    Rookie

    carl, not trying to make it difficult. I have been around HS basketball long enough and have seen the public school to private school transfers quite a bit.

    What those moves usually tell me is that the kid isnt as good as he or his family thinks so they go down one class to compete against kids younger than them. Wont really matter, since whatever college they go to they will have to compete against the older kids at some point. Or, the parents and kid do not like the coach and have the money to do the move.

    So we shall see what comes of this. You cant teach athleticism and speed and it would not have mattered who coached Gill or Jones last year, them together on the same team made Ravenscroft very very good. Them, not on the team this year and you see what happens. 8-6.

  • carlbunns05 Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

    Although ravenscroft did get 5 transfer,
    they only have 2 returners and have had a good year so far, won the last 5 games including a holiday tournament championship.

  • carlbunns05 Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

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  • randythorntonv3 Jan 2, 2013
    Rookie

    carl, you dont know him, but yet make the statements you made. Talk about dumb.

    And Ravenscroft had a few kids that could have returned but didnt. Why is that?

    And everyone is entitled to their opinion. Seems like you and I differ on ours.

  • carlbunns05 Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

    Also ravenscroft is 8-6 right now in a year where they only returned 2 players. I've been to a couple games and corchiani looks good out there.

  • carlbunns05 Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

    Are joking me?! Corchiani and Devonte have been in the same backcourt since 7th grade. Corchiani started every game last year and same with Graham. That's one of dumbest things I've ever seen on these boards. Also you don't know Chris personally so how are you going to say he is spoiled or whatever perpetious claims you maid. Graham and Hemphill already had offers so why would they want to reclassify and go over to ravenscroft, wow I guess trying to better yourself makes you spoiled now a days. I don't know him personally so I've heard he is a great kid hate to see these stupid comments on these boards man.

  • sirjameschitwood Jan 2, 2013
    Towel Boy

    A few years ago Luke Davis left BHS after being named Cap-7 POY as a jr. to attend Ravenscroft. Obviously, he didn't leave because of playing time. I also suspect Corchiani left for the same reasons.

  • childplease Jan 1, 2013
    Pro

    I stand corrected. I only saw him with the Caps last year. I saw Graham this summer with GR and Hemphill the past two years with Bull City Select out of Durham.

  • Bad Azz Boyz Jan 1, 2013
    Pro

    Gottfried played for the same Garner Road AAU program this past summer, yes he was on the Adidas circuit and represented himself well. He played with GRBC 16s elite!

  • randythorntonv3 Jan 1, 2013
    Rookie

    How many games did you see?

    So what you heard are facts and what I heard is incorrect huh?

    Good philosophy to have David

    Again, how is he doing and how is Ravenscroft doing?

    Just seems like a spoiled kid whose folks have enough cash to spend their baby to a private school because that bad bad coach is mean and daddy doesn't like him.

    If he was so bad, why did Hemphill the ASU kid and Gott's kids stay

  • david in smithfield Jan 1, 2013
    Rookie

    Corchiani started all the games I saw last year, so funny, what you heard doesn't seem to match the facts. Next?

  • randythorntonv3 Jan 1, 2013
    Rookie

    David, then I suggest you quit your pharma job and apply at a HS.

    Funny, I heard Corchiani left because he didn't want to compete with the kid going to ASU

    I never said the stats were good, but if you blame 3 pt shooting % on the coach then you might want to go have a discussion with some folks in Durham and Chapel Hill about their coaches also.

    And as far as kids leaving a program it happens at all levels, not just HS.

    Seems to me you have a personal axe to grind with this coach, plus he has two kids going D1 and they stayed. Where is Corchiani headed and if Ravenscroft is so good, why did Gill and others leave.

  • david in smithfield Jan 1, 2013
    Rookie

    Randy, if you don't think those stats reveal problems, then you don't know the game. I've gotten to know some of the BHS players at the Y over the last year, as well as some former players. Those guys don't have alot of confidence in the coach........i know thats why corchiani left, and his dad knows the game. some kid who plays at UNC now left a couple of years ago for the same reason I understand.

  • childplease Jan 1, 2013
    Pro

    @ six72000. What are you talking about Adidas Circuit? Gottfried nor Hemphill played a single game on the Adidas Circuit this summer or last summer. Only Graham played that circuit with Garner Road. Gottfried played with the Raleigh Capitals and Hemphill with Bull City Select.

    I have only seen a handful of Broughton games the past four years, some wins and some losses. I have never seen the coach have to go into any type of strategy with other coaches. However I have seen his teams play hard, play smart, and most importantly play together. How he evaluates talent can be questioned. How he develops talent can be as well. I will admit he doesn't seem like a basketball guy at times. However we, you and I, the rest of the public doesn't know what is going on within the halls of Broughton High School. I coached for long time and sometimes it is more than basketball, well most of the time. I don't know his teaching or people skills. When it comes to coaching they go hand in hand. He has a connection with his team. I have spoken with some of them at length and for better or for worse they have his back. They mention things like discipline and hard work, intangibles that will be very valuable on the next level on and off the floor.

    It may have been in the best interest of both parties that they missed out on each other. John Wall seems to be doing pretty well for himself and Broughton is still graduating students and student-athletes...

    As far as who will win the CAP 8 please inform me....not being sarcastic. I have only seen two teams play, Broughton and Millbrook. Neither have been impressive, but I saw them early and neither were their opponents.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 31, 2012
    Rookie

    Do not coach, just played D3.

    So TO's are the coaches fault?? Interesting theory

    So a bad 3 point % is the coaches fault?? Another interesting theory.

    I guess that is why you don't coach anymore.

  • david in smithfield Dec 31, 2012
    Rookie

    Two yrs assistant at Mansfield State, three years at Gettysburg, before getting out of the business and into pharma sales. What about you?

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 31, 2012
    Rookie

    David, which HS do you coach?

  • david in smithfield Dec 31, 2012
    Rookie

    Just look at the HSOT game stats. 37 turnovers to 26 assists, ratio of 1.4:1 they obviously aren't being taught ball security. 10-56 from three point on their home court. Either the wrong people are taking the shots or not coaching good shot v open shot, either way a coaching issue. He looked like a deer in headlights during games, paralyzed as his team melted down. Those boys deserve better

  • dcz Dec 31, 2012
    Rookie

    six72000 you are an . the broughton coach is one of the best in the area and so is billerman. corchiani probably left b/c he is not as good as graham at point guard,the position he will have to play in college.you go to ravenscroft and you get to repeat a year. As for wall, he had a bad attitude and broughton didn't need him to win.

  • mikepalmercfp Dec 31, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Have watched it since 1998, unless you've lived through it you have no idea.

  • six72000 Dec 31, 2012
    Pro

    No offense but i have been to see Ravenscroft play this season and watched broughton the last few days there is no comparison to the coaching between the two. Sometimes its about expanding you knowledge of the game. Billerman can provide that the other guy can not. He lost yes he not his kids lost two games they were capable of winning. They have enough talent to win a state title at broughton but lack the coaching to reach that level. They wont even win the Cap8 because there are better coaches in that league. Its clear he doesnt know talent the biggest example is John Wall. Billerman has his faults in terms of talent as well i.e Isaac Copeland whom billerman did not play last season and now has 15 D1 offers. Not to mention Graham, Hemphill, and Godfried EARNED their offers on the Adidas circuit this summer. So let's not get ahead of ourselves giving broughton's coach a lot of credit because he so does not deserve it. As far as the whole public private debate it doesnt matter the families will continue to do what they deem best for whatever reason its here and not going anywhere. Poor coaching is a huge issue and there are plenty of people out here that would do it for the love of coaching that wont blow games by not staying with what is working or playing your best line up instead of politics which by the way plays a huge role in this whole public private debate. Kids are searching for something that does not exist a fair opportunity.

  • randythorntonv3 Dec 30, 2012
    Rookie

    David, so you aremaking an equal comparison in competition between, the HSOT and Sanderson and GH?

  • david in smithfield Dec 30, 2012
    Rookie

    Congrats to Chris corchiani and the ravens for winning the s Granville tourney, wins over Sanderson and Green Hope, all tourney selection. Sounds like he made great choice. Broughton looked like a dumpster fire in their final game at HSOT tourney. Amazing what a difference coaching makes.

  • DBH8293 Dec 6, 2012
    Veteran

    Her is not getting much accomplished at Ravenscroft. If he would of stayed with Broughton they would have a full on awesome starting 5 with Hemphill, Graham, and gottfried by his side.

  • ncelite Dec 6, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Leaving Broughton must be having its biggest advantage in the classroom. Because things are looking bad on the basketball court.

  • oldcoach Nov 28, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Very catching saying about Capital and talent. But that infers that a student athlete is leaving the public school because they aren't wanted or well treated. That is rarely the case. poor analogy. As I mentioned in a previous post, each family has the right to send their child to a private school if that's what they deem best. Don't put the blame on the public school coach for them leaving. There are a lot of great coaches out there, public and private. I have seen the decrease in loyalty over the past 30 years that I coached HS, but bottom line is, coach what you have and do the best you can to run a class program.

  • childplease Nov 28, 2012
    Pro

    Amen David. What loyalty do you all speak of? A kid has to do what is best for their future. I coached high school basketball and I used to help my kids get into private schools. I have even helped kids transfer to rival schools because their families felt it was a better fit. I have done this even when I knew it was not the best move. Bottom line is you don't want that kid there either way. If there is any doubt on the kids part, or the families' they could potentially tear the team apart. They will never be 100% all in. Plus if it means a better shot for the kid to play at the next level, that's what should be done. Why shouldn't the kid reap the benefits of their good play. One player leaving doesn't mean that the season is lost. Especially when they transfer well before the season starts. Coaches have to be loyal to what is best for the kid.

    Sad to say, but it is business. College education is big business and that business is not cheap. These kids are competing for annual scholarships worth tens of thousands of dollars. If your kid could go to a private school to increase their chances of going to college debt free, how would you advise them? Better yet answer that question when you're making a payment on a student loan or applying for a scholarship.

  • david in smithfield Nov 28, 2012
    Rookie

    Talent, like capital, goes where it is wanted and stays where it is well treated.

    I dare say all these people whining about pvt schools would bolt their current employer if offered 20% more by a competitor......

  • jh2914 Nov 28, 2012
    Towel Boy

    The lost art of loyalty...

  • footballfanatic Nov 27, 2012
    Bench Warmer

    Bishop Daniels is the only one to attend Leesville High I believe. All the others either went to Leesville middle or were districted to go there.

  • footballfanatic Nov 27, 2012
    Bench Warmer

    private schools getting kids from public schools has ruined many high school programs. Leesville had 4 i think, possibly 5 D-1 recruits (and now signed or already there) that went to private schools,. Marcus Bryan, Madison (dont know his last name), Anton Gill who transferred to ravenscroft, and Bishop Daniels who transferred to Word of God. All of them would have played at Leesville at the same time. Them leaving put Leesville in a huge hole and Leesville is just now getting out of it. Finally they are a decent Cap-8 team, and they could have been this entire time if they didnt leave. You should never "admire" a kid who leaves his true school to play for a private school.

  • david in smithfield Nov 27, 2012
    Rookie

    Good article about corchiani in sunday paper, sounds like he made wise choice

  • tcorch1313 Nov 19, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Im pretty sure ZLD would know my man... He is Luke davis's dad... Stud playing at UNC now who transferred from Broughton to Ravenscroft.

  • randythorntonv3 Nov 18, 2012
    Rookie

    zld, no offense and I have no dog in this fight but I know for a fact Ravenscroft recruits and gives schollies.

    Maybe you should have negotiated harder. :)

  • dariuslester3 Nov 17, 2012
    Bench Warmer

    JAMES HEMPHILL!!!

  • jh2914 Nov 15, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Mr. zld,,,,if thats the defintion of recruiting, then you better open your eyes in eastern NC. I can not speak on Ravenscroft, but be serious...

  • mikepalmercfp Nov 15, 2012
    Towel Boy

    I can understand the appeal of Ravenscroft to a kid committed to playing basketball. I've known Kevin Billerman since he was an asst at UNCC and I refereed his teams when he was coach at Florida Atlantic. He knows what he's doing (not the case everywhere, this isnt Lake Woebegon), there's a reason players are attracted to his program. Seems pretty arrogant to me to opine on someone's coaching without watching them conduct a practice, do skill development, etc. The real teaching isnt done during games. Some coaches work at their craft, others not so much.

  • Elem-Teach Oct 15, 2012
    Veteran

    Have to agree with you on that one Bishop.

  • BattlingBishop 5 Oct 12, 2012
    Sports Legend

    ^Agreed 100%, oldcoach!

  • oldcoach Oct 12, 2012
    Towel Boy

    Not sure why there is so much interest in why a young man leaves. If he doesn't want to be there, he'll end up being a problem. The situation at Broughton can't be too bad if 2 kids whose Dads have major college coaching experience are staying put.Coached in public schools in area for 30+ yrs., same argument about private schools recruiting has been going on the entire time.Can waste time worrying about it, my philosophy was worry about the kids who wanted to be in my program and wish the others good luck. The academic argument doesn't fly, as Broughton's, ( and most WCPSS schools) test scores and students attending 4 yr. schools attest to.
    Should be up to the family to decide what's best for their child.

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